MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 13:52:

Razumen wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 11:09:

Darks wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 10:42:
Well, the jokes on you or should I say between your legs. Enjoy that hilarity.

Actually, your mom did quote enjoy it, multiple times. You're welcome.

Gentlemen, please!

I was going to link The Love Boat theme for them...

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 13:52:

Razumen wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 11:09:

Darks wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 10:42:
Well, the jokes on you or should I say between your legs. Enjoy that hilarity.

Actually, your mom did quote enjoy it, multiple times. You're welcome.

Gentlemen, please!

They are not gentlemen. I haven't seen a disagreement devolve into mom fucking barbs in a long time.

Razumen wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 11:09:

Darks wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 10:42:
Well, the jokes on you or should I say between your legs. Enjoy that hilarity.

Actually, your mom did quote enjoy it, multiple times. You're welcome.

Gentlemen, please!

Darks wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 10:42:
Well, the jokes on you or should I say between your legs. Enjoy that hilarity.

Actually, your mom did quote enjoy it, multiple times. You're welcome.

Razumen wrote on Nov 25, 2015, 00:33:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 22:11:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:38:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:19:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 15:57:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

OH? is that the excuse?

Steam requires all DLC to be purchasable through either it or it's marketplace, so yes, that's their "excuse", it's just another front end.

Stop constructing pathetic things to be offended about.

No, I don't think I will, so if you don't like it get the fuck out.

lol, nah, it's much more amusing to stay and witness the hilarity.

Well, the jokes on you or should I say between your legs. Enjoy that hilarity.

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 22:11:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:38:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:19:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 15:57:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

OH? is that the excuse?

Steam requires all DLC to be purchasable through either it or it's marketplace, so yes, that's their "excuse", it's just another front end.

Stop constructing pathetic things to be offended about.

No, I don't think I will, so if you don't like it get the fuck out.

lol, nah, it's much more amusing to stay and witness the hilarity.

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:38:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:19:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 15:57:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

OH? is that the excuse?

Steam requires all DLC to be purchasable through either it or it's marketplace, so yes, that's their "excuse", it's just another front end.

Stop constructing pathetic things to be offended about.

No, I don't think I will, so if you don't like it get the fuck out.

deqer wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 18:16:
There are none. The game is good, and they said on their FAQ page they plan to be done by end of this year, which is just around the corner.

Is there a large amount of content they need to get out in order for it to reach parity with the original by then? I mean, it would be nice to see a full release around Xmas, I'm just wondering how likely that is.

There are none. The game is good, and they said on their FAQ page they plan to be done by end of this year, which is just around the corner.

Okay I'm rational Overon here. Other than the poor pr move to add cosmetic paid content to an early access game that is unfinished and slow to get new content updates, are there any other arguments why this is bad idea? Given that the items are cosmetic, there are said to be random drops of items, you can buy items with real money or trade for them in game, I am really trying hard to find better arguments against it?

Well, I was a fan of KF1, I bought KF2 months ago on sale, and I've been a bit annoyed at how long it's taking them to get out of Early Access. That said, this system seems a lot more like CS:GO Cosmetics/skins than anything close to the Payday 2 debacle.

In game drops(for some), cash shop, trading(I assume?), it apparently has worked out very well for CS:GO, although I found it really annoying in that game also, it didn't break the game in and of itself for me. Hundreds(thousands?) of hours in various CS flavors before CS:GO did.

I'll reserve judgement, assuming Tripwire can get their shit together and actually complete enough to get this game into a release state sometime soon. As others have said, seems like it's been almost a year or so without them adding promised Perks and weapons, etc.

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 16:19:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 15:57:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

OH? is that the excuse?

Steam requires all DLC to be purchasable through either it or it's marketplace, so yes, that's their "excuse", it's just another front end.

Stop constructing pathetic things to be offended about.

You asked what their reason was... It's not an "excuse" just because you don't like it. Offer your brilliant insight to the devs directly if you feel you know how to do their job better.

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 15:57:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

OH? is that the excuse?

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:47:

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Because they want it integrated it in the game itself? That's like asking why Dota has a store in the game when Steam has a marketplace already, it's easier for the player and more streamlined.

jacobvandy wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:01:

Darks wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 13:52:
Secondly. when you have steam there is absolutely no reason at all to have a micro-transactions when Steams has its own built in transaction store as it is. So what reason could they implement this other then trying to sidestep Values process?

Where are you getting that they're not running this through Steam? Their site mentions the Steam Market several times.

Some of you guys are just dumb as hell. I didn't say they weren't using it. I said why are they trying to sidestep it when they all ready have Steams process built in?

Why add a transaction market when you already have steams? What logical reason could they or anyone really have for this type of shenanigans.

Way to compare apples to oranges

ASeven wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:19:

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:15:

ASeven wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:08:

deqer wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:04:
Perhaps the complainers are the minority here?

Ah yes, the old minority fallacy. Like the Payday2 complainers that were the minority, or so the minority of fanboys wished us to believe.

Although it might not affect the quality of their arguments, lets be realistic here, this is the internet, it's usually ALWAYS the minority that's the loudest.

True, but there's always notable exceptions and at this point KF2 has the potential to become the next Payday2 in terms of fuckery made by the devs with critical response from the community.

And people keep arguing about the content of the microtransactions without addressing the critical factor that makes people unhappy, the timing of Tripwire presenting the microtransactions.

You know what's also another fallacy, the slippery slope one. There's no logical argument that can be made that anything resembling pay 2 win mechanics WILL be added, especially when Killing Floor 1 had the exact same DLC available for it.

The store was going to be added sooner or later, if work was done on it then why not add it, especially if it helps further fund the game. The only thing I can fault them for right now is their slow pace of updates.

Razumen wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:15:

ASeven wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:08:

deqer wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:04:
Perhaps the complainers are the minority here?

Ah yes, the old minority fallacy. Like the Payday2 complainers that were the minority, or so the minority of fanboys wished us to believe.

Although it might not affect the quality of their arguments, lets be realistic here, this is the internet, it's usually ALWAYS the minority that's the loudest.

True, but there's always notable exceptions and at this point KF2 has the potential to become the next Payday2 in terms of fuckery made by the devs with critical response from the community.

And people keep arguing about the content of the microtransactions without addressing the critical factor that makes people unhappy, the timing of Tripwire presenting the microtransactions.

ASeven wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:08:

deqer wrote on Nov 24, 2015, 14:04:
Perhaps the complainers are the minority here?

Ah yes, the old minority fallacy. Like the Payday2 complainers that were the minority, or so the minority of fanboys wished us to believe.

Although it might not affect the quality of their arguments, lets be realistic here, this is the internet, it's usually ALWAYS the minority that's the loudest.