siapnar wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 15:57:

edaciousx wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 13:40:
clearly you never played jedi knight online.

Jedi Knight Academy?

Yeah you're probably right. I heard it was fantastic. I played Outcast only, for some reason

And both had singleplayer portions, which were large parts of the game, so I don't know what his point was.

Star Wars: Battlefront. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

fawker wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 16:34:
oh look, more negativity

and least charlie sheen is staying positive

you win this thread

so serious question for serious people:

Is it fun?

Is it horribly imbalanced? (rebel blasters are 2x more accurate than imperials!)

Does it play well on PC or is this mainly Console fodder?

and for everyone saying it's so casual etc. allow me to clear this up.

I think the world you're looking for is "simple vs complex". Which is completely different from "casual vs competitive". Casual is what this game is if there is no competitive community that forms around it. Simple is just less game mechanics than other shooters. ie. No medic bags, no ammo bags, no ammo full stop actually... no reviving, no reloads, quick hp regen, quick respawn. these are all a lot less complicated than say BF4. However, casual vs. competitive is %100 down to the people who play it, and the community around it.

As I've said before, our planet's #1 competitive sport is football (soccer), and that's just about as simple a game as you can get. simple does not equate to casual. I'm sorry, but counter strike is a damned simple FPS, and it's by far the #1 most competitive FPS game we've ever seen, and will probably continue to be for years to come.

Creston wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 12:31:

Verno wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 09:43:
Reviews are being pretty brutal about the lack of content and I found the beta entertaining but only in small doses. Pass.

Yeah I'm not paying $60 for that. I mean it looks great, but so few maps...

there's 10 maps (8 now, 2 more in 2 weeks) which is exactly what DICE have been putting out for more than a decade.

the only difference is that not all maps have all modes.

there's pros and cons for this, basically it halves the number of maps per mode, which yes, sucks. But at the same time, the close-quarters maps are actually built for that game mode, and that game mode alone.

I'm sure we've all been in a battlefield TDM server which is just a bunch of shipping containers in a yard in an otherwise gigantic map because they had to tack on every game mode to every map. I can handle maps made for modes. I really can.

These are by far the most gorgeous, and best designed maps I've ever seen from DICE.

nearly every review is being done by some some early 20-something who never played the first two Battlefronts. They simply don't get why the game is over-the-top arcadey.

For its part I think DICE captured the frantic feel of the originals but they dropped the ball by implementing their stupid leveling system rather than just keeping things class-based.

oh look, more negativity

and least charlie sheen is staying positive

This comment was edited on Nov 17, 2015, 16:50.

Crap I'm a year off. They got the rights and started working on this in 2013. This is a disappointing result for 2.5 years coming from DICE.

edaciousx wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 13:40:
clearly you never played jedi knight online.

Jedi Knight Academy?

Yeah you're probably right. I heard it was fantastic. I played Outcast only, for some reason

ColoradoHoudini wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 14:12:
Almost every review I've seen ends with major concern about longevity beyond a few weeks, as this game is far too simple, featureless and casual.

Translation: It's your typical EA game!


Sooo sad that a game like this is going to make them billions. Watch BF5 get dumbed down massively (i.e. even further) if Battlefront sells millions - which is a given because many mouthbreathers will just buy it for the graphics and for being Star Wars.
This game is another milestone in EA's steeply downward winding staircase.

In May 2013, publisher Electronic Arts obtained exclusive rights to develop Star Wars games for gaming consoles, and its subsidiaries DICE, Visceral Games, and BioWare started work on Star Wars games.[19][20] DICE first acknowledged the game at Electronic Arts' E3 2013 press conference, along with a teaser trailer.

They supposedly built Battlefront from the ground up without recycling code from Battlefield. The technique they used to capture the Star Wars models and real life terrain has most definitely raised the bar in terms of graphic fidelity, the next Battlefield game is going to require them to step up their game for sure.

While there isn't any huge set piece destruction elements and the maps aren't massive the load times in this game are impressive, even the matchmaking isn't some lengthy painful test of your patients.

ledhead1969 wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 12:43:
I'm enjoying it. The gun play is pretty tight and you can actually take more than 3 shots without croaking....

Same could be said about BF4, last night it took a full clip for the first two games, the M320 HE and plain RGO went through people causing little or no damage and down. 3rd game was better, so less than a clip and RGO & M320 HE actually did some damage.

I don't even want to try EA's matchmaking or anyone elses until it's proven to provide an online experience equal or better than the old school server browser experience.

Bottom line, still no new online fps for the PC that's worth buying? If not, back to UT alpha and a few rounds of bf4 and yes CoD4 DM on the Breadcast map lol

Tumbler wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 14:44:

KS wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 12:59:
Getting it out the door before the movie is 2,400% the driving factor. If they were short on time, someone goofed. This is the biggest game company securing the rights to the biggest franchise property. No room for amature management.

I don't think there is anything amateur about this. It's just not possible to make a game better than this in such a short period of time.

As a consumer I'm certain you'll have the option to buy a more complete game a year from now for $60 that includes most, if not all, of the DLC in the season pass. If anything EA just gave consumers the option to buy in early at a higher price or wait until next year when the game can be properly released with all the content you'd expect for $60.

It's not marketed that way though, but there seems to be no confusion that a lot of additional content is coming to fill this game out. Given the two choices, wait and play this late in 2016 with everything and feel good about $60 or get it early and pay a higher price to play it now and get updates over the next year I'm not sure this is such a bad choice.

I got some RPG's to finish though. Getting close to the end of Divinity Original sin, then Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity, then Fallout 4, then...Hearthstone, gotta work that in too... so many games to play.

As someone pointed out earlier, given the size of the companies and franchise involved, if they didn't have enough time, then someone screwed up royally.

ColoradoHoudini wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 14:12:
Almost every review I've seen ends with major concern about longevity beyond a few weeks, as this game is far too simple, featureless and casual.

It's more of an interactive Star Wars art exhibit, you can only geek out to the imagery on display for so long.

People today play for things like rank and unlocks which is very limited in this game so once they burn through the rank system and unlock all the weapons the "urge" to continue to play will be lost for most.

The people waiting on the sidelines for a super sale will probably have a hard time playing modes that won't maintain enough players and you're more likely to encounter players who sit 24/7 flying the space ships and will smear you across the map every time you spawn.

The way these multiplayer games work is you play with the roaming heard and they have a sharp drop off in players a month or two out.

Titanfall, Evolve, Battlefield Hardline are just a few I've personally experienced this with recently.

KS wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 12:59:
Getting it out the door before the movie is 2,400% the driving factor. If they were short on time, someone goofed. This is the biggest game company securing the rights to the biggest franchise property. No room for amature management.

I don't think there is anything amateur about this. It's just not possible to make a game better than this in such a short period of time.

As a consumer I'm certain you'll have the option to buy a more complete game a year from now for $60 that includes most, if not all, of the DLC in the season pass. If anything EA just gave consumers the option to buy in early at a higher price or wait until next year when the game can be properly released with all the content you'd expect for $60.

It's not marketed that way though, but there seems to be no confusion that a lot of additional content is coming to fill this game out. Given the two choices, wait and play this late in 2016 with everything and feel good about $60 or get it early and pay a higher price to play it now and get updates over the next year I'm not sure this is such a bad choice.

I got some RPG's to finish though. Getting close to the end of Divinity Original sin, then Wasteland 2 and Pillars of Eternity, then Fallout 4, then...Hearthstone, gotta work that in too... so many games to play.

Ever since Dice locked their engines down and put 2 fingers up at the modding community and called us unworthy to understand their almighty map editors, I've never bought a Dice game.

The reviews for me say exactly what I think of the game, short lived and boring after a while, for me it was 30mins or so.

Almost every review I've seen ends with major concern about longevity beyond a few weeks, as this game is far too simple, featureless and casual.

Whiskers wrote on Nov 17, 2015, 09:37:
It's really a shame DICE locks down their engine from modding. Imagine all of the amazing Battlefield 2 mods that could have been made for Battlefield 4.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

The community would have made it a better game.

Are the amount of people with hacks and cheats already at saturated levels in the Windows version, like day 2 of the open beta?