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New Star Citizen Alpha

The Roberts Space Industries website has details on a new alpha version 1.3 build of Star Citizen that's now available for backers of Cloud Imperium's space exploration and combat game. They offer details on some new weapons available in the new version, but note that many of the changes in the patch are "under the hood" as they combine different development streams to pave the way for their upcoming alpha 2.0 "Mini Persistent Universe" release. They also offer a new Development Update with details on their progress towards alpha 2.0 as well as the Star Marine module. There are other visible changes in alpha 1.3, however, as they explain in this bit:
In addition to technical work, today’s patch includes updates to the flight model, a selection of new, larger guns for Voyager Direct and a variety of other changes.

The patch is currently accessible via the Star Citizen Launcher and a complete list of release notes (including balance modifications, known issues and other changes) are available here.
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78. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 30, 2015, 17:06 Vall Forran
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 30, 2015, 14:32:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 29, 2015, 17:46:
harlock wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 22:10:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:38:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

yes, you control the world with your magical childish abilities!

each and every one of you assholes troll this place nonstop, you hypocritical fucks

You work in vfx? Maybe I know you. Where?

Edit: Definite language for one.

You're trying to break the ice after that comment?

Worth a shot? I'm surprised space captain is in vfx. It's a fairly small industry... And they all swear like sailors.
 
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77. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 30, 2015, 14:32 jdreyer
 
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 29, 2015, 17:46:
harlock wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 22:10:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:38:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

yes, you control the world with your magical childish abilities!

each and every one of you assholes troll this place nonstop, you hypocritical fucks

You work in vfx? Maybe I know you. Where?

Edit: Definite language for one.

You're trying to break the ice after that comment?
 
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76. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 29, 2015, 17:46 Vall Forran
 
harlock wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 22:10:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:38:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

yes, you control the world with your magical childish abilities!

each and every one of you assholes troll this place nonstop, you hypocritical fucks

You work in vfx? Maybe I know you. Where?

Edit: Definite language for one.
 
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75. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 22:10 harlock
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:38:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

yes, you control the world with your magical childish abilities!

each and every one of you assholes troll this place nonstop, you hypocritical fucks
 
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74. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 18:40 CJ_Parker
 
AngelicPenguin wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 15:07:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 14:07:
Of course it is a big fat lie.

You seem very passionate about this, and again I haven't followed this much.

BUT - the reasonable analogy that I make is that I told a client I will build them a new room in their house for $5,000. If I get $10,000 I can build that room in half the time. The client then gives me $100,000 and says to build a completely new wing. The clear assumption there is that the new wing isn't going to get built in the same time frame as the original $10,000 room.

No?

No. Because the client does not say to build a completely new wing. The construction company calls the shots, not the client. Star Citizen backers never had a chance to say 'no' to Chris Roberts megalomaniac tendencies. There was only a general poll whether to keep funding going after the campaign but CR/CIG kept making up the stretch goals.

So the company knows exactly from the very start, at the time it promises to build a new room for $5,000, that neither the room for $5,000 or $10,000, let alone the whole wing for $100,000 will happen on time or somehow faster than the $5,000 room.

That CR quote is from September 2013. The campaign ended November 2012. The promised game, as per the stretch goals Nov 2012, was already an extremely ambitious ~$6 million (+$xx million from investors) game with a 50 mission single player campaign, a persistent universe with 100 star systems, private servers and modding tools (and much more).
You know... a full single player game, a full-fledged MMO, dedicated servers and modding tools. Easily four, five years of work minimums but CR promised to do it in less than half.

I actually fully expected CR back then (i.e. Nov 2012) to step up to the microphone and announce that this new and bigger game would naturally not happen by the end of 2014 as announced.

Unfortunately, that never happened. Instead CR tried to keep up the illusion that the game's release is not that far away and he said silly crap as in the quoted bit, obviously hoping to get even more money when he must have known exactly (given his experience) that the project would never happen within the next year -or somehow magically faster if people throw more money at it- since it was himself who kept making up more and more stretch goals for every single $1 million raised.
As a developer you will know that you can not just throw more people at a project to make it happen faster. It might work to some extent for art and asset creation but you can't just hire more and more code monkeys without creating havoc and chaos. There is a point where you get diminishing returns or even detrimental effects from having too many people on the project.

All in all it's simply very disingenuous of a CR in 2013, when he kept blowing the scope out of proportion, all the while fully well knowing that there will be massive delays before the full game will ever be delivered, to still promise to get things done faster.
Then to lol @ his own backers in June 2015 for expecting to just happen what HE promised earlier is very rich.

And he keeps doing this sleazy shit... at Gamescom he said that the FULL (100 star systems, all gameplay systems, everything) persistent universe will be "working and functioning" by the end of next year. What a big, fat, blatant lie. He can't possibly believe that himself. Absolutely no way. Or, he if he really does, then he truly is the most unprofessional project lead ever.
 
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73. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 16:04 Kosumo
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 10:03:
That's the best you have? Your argument is Superweaksauce™ and you know it. CIG can't be expected to build the same game they were planning for $6m when they've raised $93m. If they simply pocketed the extra money and delivered the original game people would be screaming fraud.

Delays happen. Get over it.

Well, you know, they could have like, stop sell ships to raise more money and stopped adding streach goals to incress the funds and then they would not have $93 million dollars so it would not have been a fraud. You know that extra money he could have turned away.

But Chris wants more money; He could have made (or not, cos he is shit at making games) a very nice version of his Star Citizen 1.0 vision for around the 30-45 million dollar make that would be out now and I don't think people would have called it a scam - he could have shown how he is a master at making cool gameplay. Then announced a second game made with both the first ones profits and backers money!

Instead, he has shown him self to be a greedy deceptive man who is more keen to make a movie with his wife - both of whom just want more of other peoples money to do with what they wish.

You asked for people to point out promises that he has broken - LTI, re-selling limited sale ships. You also state that you wont accept 'delays' as a broken promise, well if he never release any final product, what does anyone have to work his promises against since he keeps saying they will be in the game - which is not coming out.
 
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72. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 15:07 AngelicPenguin
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 14:07:
Of course it is a big fat lie.

You seem very passionate about this, and again I haven't followed this much.

BUT - the reasonable analogy that I make is that I told a client I will build them a new room in their house for $5,000. If I get $10,000 I can build that room in half the time. The client then gives me $100,000 and says to build a completely new wing. The clear assumption there is that the new wing isn't going to get built in the same time frame as the original $10,000 room.

No?
 
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71. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 14:07 CJ_Parker
 
AngelicPenguin wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 12:35:
Kosumo wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 01:13:

While I don't think these where 'promises', I do still think they are just some of the very many times that Chris Roberts as out right lied to the backers.

Chris Roberts is a deceptive, scummy man.

I have little opinion of this game one way or the other and even I think referring to delays in a game's development as "lies" is a serious stretch. Especially when I do development for a living.

Did you even read the quotes? Chris Roberts said 'please keep pledging so we can get stuff done faster' (when the date for the whole game to come out was still end of 2014).
So he basically promised people to employ more devs so that stuff would be done considerably BEFORE the end of 2014 when he must have fully well known that this would never happen, specifically because the scope kept increasing at the same time.

People with a clue about game development also knew this would never happen and were already pointing out to be careful about such CR claims back then. Of course they were immediately shouted down by the White Knights who said 'Chris Roberts has more experience than any of you haters so he will make it happen'.
Oh yeah? Look at where we are today. Did the game come out at the end of 2014, dear White Knights? Whoopsie. Nope, it didn't.
But they don't care, of course, because they don't want to remember that Chris lied to them.

Anyway, how is that not a lie if CR promises to get the game done faster while at the same time increasing the scope and knowing that the faster delivery will never happen? Of course it is a big fat lie. Chris Roberts is a lying shitbag of epic proportions. You could go through SC's history if you were so inclined and come up with dozens of ridiculous Chris Roberts quotes where he outright lied to people. He has turned into a pro spindoctor over the course of this project.
When he gets called out on his lies it's always "yeah what we really meant to say back then was... blahblahblehbluhblech" and the White Knights lap it up like the semen of God Himself.
 
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70. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 12:35 AngelicPenguin
 
Kosumo wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 01:13:

While I don't think these where 'promises', I do still think they are just some of the very many times that Chris Roberts as out right lied to the backers.

Chris Roberts is a deceptive, scummy man.

I have little opinion of this game one way or the other and even I think referring to delays in a game's development as "lies" is a serious stretch. Especially when I do development for a living.
 
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69. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 10:03 theyarecomingforyou
 
Kosumo wrote on Oct 27, 2015, 01:13:
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 08:38:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 05:37:
They already haven't. CIG have broken Kickstarter promises left, right and center and, yeah, there will be way more to come when you really sit down and compare the entire pitch/stretch goal list to whatever will be playable one day.
What are these promises that CIG has supposedly broken? I've been following since the original Kickstarter and am not aware of any. Delays don't count, as they were only estimates and it was stated from the beginning that delays were likely. In fact the game has expanded to such a degree that backers are getting substantially more than was originally promised.

While I don't think these where 'promises', I do still think they are just some of the very many times that Chris Roberts as out right lied to the backers.

Chris said this (September 2013) -
“The more funds we can raise in the pre-launch phase, the more we can invest in additional content (more ships, characters etc.) and perhaps more importantly we can apply greater number of resources to the various tasks to ensure we deliver the full functionality sooner rather than later.

"Full Functionality sooner rather than later" - He lied, He knew he was lying, He did not care, He just wanted more money to play with.

Chris also said this (June 2015) -
"Will it take longer to deliver all this? Of course! When the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases. This is something we are acutely aware of."

"Of course" - That's him calling people his fanbase fools for ever believing his lies. He is just trying to justify taking more money and more time for him to piss away on his poorly managed 'game'.
That's the best you have? Your argument is Superweaksauce™ and you know it. CIG can't be expected to build the same game they were planning for $6m when they've raised $93m. If they simply pocketed the extra money and delivered the original game people would be screaming fraud.

Delays happen. Get over it.
 
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68. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 27, 2015, 01:13 Kosumo
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 08:38:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 05:37:
They already haven't. CIG have broken Kickstarter promises left, right and center and, yeah, there will be way more to come when you really sit down and compare the entire pitch/stretch goal list to whatever will be playable one day.
What are these promises that CIG has supposedly broken? I've been following since the original Kickstarter and am not aware of any. Delays don't count, as they were only estimates and it was stated from the beginning that delays were likely. In fact the game has expanded to such a degree that backers are getting substantially more than was originally promised.

While I don't think these where 'promises', I do still think they are just some of the very many times that Chris Roberts as out right lied to the backers.

Chris said this (September 2013) -
“The more funds we can raise in the pre-launch phase, the more we can invest in additional content (more ships, characters etc.) and perhaps more importantly we can apply greater number of resources to the various tasks to ensure we deliver the full functionality sooner rather than later.

"Full Functionality sooner rather than later" - He lied, He knew he was lying, He did not care, He just wanted more money to play with.

Chris also said this (June 2015) -
"Will it take longer to deliver all this? Of course! When the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases. This is something we are acutely aware of."

"Of course" - That's him calling people his fanbase fools for ever believing his lies. He is just trying to justify taking more money and more time for him to piss away on his poorly managed 'game'.

There wont be a Arena Commander 2.0 before the end of the year, and if/when it every does come out it will be so broken that he will call it pre-pre-alpha. He know this but sells the dream to get more money knowing he is years away for even a base game let alone all these internet spaceships he as sold for hundreds of dollars.

I would say that the Endevor spaceship will NEVER be in the game.

Squadren 42 will be lucky to release 10 missions by this time next year, and that with them put all their effort into it.

Point: Has Arena Commander 1.3 really added anything? (wtf with the grey cat in ArcCorp? - dumb dumb shit) You have often said how they need more 'maps' have they come about - from what I have herd, Arena Commander 0.8 - 1.3 has not really evoiled very well at all, and that's over a year at lest. Plenty of excuse thought. (waiting on Star Marine - which was waiting on animation, then waiting on networking, merging stuff, ect, ect) <--- POORLY MANAGED!

Chris Roberts is a deceptive, scummy man.
 
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67. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 21:16 Dacron
 
For what it is worth (regarding bacon on pizza), Pizza Hut will put cut up strips of full bacon or smoked maple bacon *drool* on your pizza now instead of the crappy bacon bits everyone uses. You can get the bits at Pizza Hut as well... but real bacon on a pizza is a must.

Just thought I'd add something helpful to the discussion.
 



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66. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 17:53 SpectralMeat
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 14:35:
I don't own it, but do plan on getting it
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You're literally saying, "Stop complaining, you got your pizza didn't you?"
Nope
What you are saying is, following your pizza logic is this

I saw my neighbour ordering pizza
They didn't include a dipping sauce with it even though he paid for it.
Fuck those scumbags at the pizza store, they are ripping people off.
As soon as they have crispy bacon as a topping I'll be ordering their pizza too!
 
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65. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 17:53 Vall Forran
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:38:
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

Ok, I missed that. We also ruined this conversation six months ago. Trolls indeed.
 
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64. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 17:38 SpectralMeat
 
Vall Forran wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 17:14:
I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
Guy is complaining about Elite doesn't have offline single player mode, even though Frontier said in the kickstarter campaign that it would have that.
They cut it out the last minute for whatever reason.
Because of that Elite didn't deliver on promises.
I called bullshit on his assessment and now everyone is upset. Especially the troll

This comment was edited on Oct 26, 2015, 17:45.
 
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63. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 17:14 Vall Forran
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 14:35:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 19:35:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 13:23:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 09:04:
I love it when people talk about ELite Dangerous not delivering because one thing they've promised was cut. Nevermind about everything else. Some of you guys need a serious reality check.
Or just quit this whole gaming as a hobby thing because it is clearly not for you. Try bingo or chess or some shit like that.

I tell you I'm going out to get a mushroom, pepper, and sausage pizza, and you give me $10. And I bring back a mushroom and pepper pizza with no sausage, you'd be fine with that? And if you complain, I can tell you I delivered everything else so shut your pizza piehole? And just quit this whole pizza-eating thing because it's not for you? Try a Hot Pocket or Pop Tart or some shit like that?
So you missed the sausage, damn that means the pizza was not delivered at all.

Again I find it interesting that you also complain about ELite yet you do not own it, or plan to buy it.
But hey don't let me stop you complaining about it cuz why not.

Do I think Elite devs should have delivered everything they've promised, sure they should have but just because one thing got cut it doesn't mean the game didn't deliver like some suggests.

We'll see if the other space sim dev will "deliver" on every single thing they've promised.

I don't own it, but do plan on getting it once ORCV1 is release. I've said that before. That being said, if it had launched with SP, I would have bought it last spring.

Regardless, the point isn't whether I own it or plan to, but the logical fallacy. You guys are acting like it's no big deal, and I'm trying to point out that it is. You're literally saying, "Stop complaining, you got your pizza didn't you?"

I don't even know wtf you guys are arguing about anymore... Metaphor tangents, yay!
 
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62. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 14:35 jdreyer
 
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 19:35:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 13:23:
SpectralMeat wrote on Oct 25, 2015, 09:04:
I love it when people talk about ELite Dangerous not delivering because one thing they've promised was cut. Nevermind about everything else. Some of you guys need a serious reality check.
Or just quit this whole gaming as a hobby thing because it is clearly not for you. Try bingo or chess or some shit like that.

I tell you I'm going out to get a mushroom, pepper, and sausage pizza, and you give me $10. And I bring back a mushroom and pepper pizza with no sausage, you'd be fine with that? And if you complain, I can tell you I delivered everything else so shut your pizza piehole? And just quit this whole pizza-eating thing because it's not for you? Try a Hot Pocket or Pop Tart or some shit like that?
So you missed the sausage, damn that means the pizza was not delivered at all.

Again I find it interesting that you also complain about ELite yet you do not own it, or plan to buy it.
But hey don't let me stop you complaining about it cuz why not.

Do I think Elite devs should have delivered everything they've promised, sure they should have but just because one thing got cut it doesn't mean the game didn't deliver like some suggests.

We'll see if the other space sim dev will "deliver" on every single thing they've promised.

I don't own it, but do plan on getting it once ORCV1 is release. I've said that before. That being said, if it had launched with SP, I would have bought it last spring.

Regardless, the point isn't whether I own it or plan to, but the logical fallacy. You guys are acting like it's no big deal, and I'm trying to point out that it is. You're literally saying, "Stop complaining, you got your pizza didn't you?"
 
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61. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 11:15 Flatline
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 08:38:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 05:37:
They already haven't. CIG have broken Kickstarter promises left, right and center and, yeah, there will be way more to come when you really sit down and compare the entire pitch/stretch goal list to whatever will be playable one day.
What are these promises that CIG has supposedly broken? I've been following since the original Kickstarter and am not aware of any. Delays don't count, as they were only estimates and it was stated from the beginning that delays were likely. In fact the game has expanded to such a degree that backers are getting substantially more than was originally promised.

Biggest one for me was promising a more WW2-style space sim control scheme and then from the first iteration it was this strange mess that we have now.

That was actually probably my original point of where I started to feel uneasy.

Other than that, yeah LTI and "limited edition" ships. There's a few other relatively minor things. But pitching the basic control scheme as one thing and then going in the totally opposite direction is pretty high on my list.
 
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60. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 09:38 CJ_Parker
 
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 08:38:
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 05:37:
They already haven't. CIG have broken Kickstarter promises left, right and center and, yeah, there will be way more to come when you really sit down and compare the entire pitch/stretch goal list to whatever will be playable one day.
What are these promises that CIG has supposedly broken? I've been following since the original Kickstarter and am not aware of any. Delays don't count, as they were only estimates and it was stated from the beginning that delays were likely. In fact the game has expanded to such a degree that backers are getting substantially more than was originally promised.

LTI and limited ships for starters. The one and only ship they kept that promise for is the Vanduul Scythe for some strange reason but every other ship that was advertised with a "last chance" has made a return.
 
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59. Re: New Star Citizen Alpha Oct 26, 2015, 08:48 SpectralMeat
 
CJ_Parker wrote on Oct 26, 2015, 05:37:
Cutting offline was the only sensible thing to do. They did the right thing but should have both seen it sooner and told people about it sooner.
I do not believe there was any malicious intent on Frontier's side, however.
Exactly.
There are a lot of things to complain about when it comes to Elite, but saying the game did not deliver because they cut offline play is ridiculous to say the least, and it usually comes from people that are not really invested or interested in the game the begin with.
 
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