"Chris Roberts thinks he's George Lucas. He thinks he's a genius," CS2 asserted. "He's a fraud, pure and simple. If he was just a salesman, or he worked in marketing, or he was answering to a producer, he would do well. But the emperor wears no clothes. Anybody who has worked with him will tell you the same thing. The difference is that lots of people have a dream, but only some can communicate it. I don't think he's sinister, or a bad person. He's Donald Trump. He thinks that if he wants to do something, he can. Because he's Chris Roberts."
"I'll put my 261, their passion and energy against the complaints of a few disgruntled ex-employees any day," Roberts said. "We have backers visit the offices all the time, they all come away with the same impression - that the entire team is dedicated to making the best game possible."
Update: The Escapist, notwithstanding Cloud Imperium Games’ notice and posting, stands by its coverage of Star Citizen and intends to continue to investigate the developing story. Since publishing our original stories, we have been contacted by, and are currently interviewing, additional sources corroborating a variety of the reported allegations. Additionally, if Mr. Roberts’ offer for The Escapist to “meet the developers making the game and see how we’re building one of the most ambitious PC games first hand” remains open, we take the opportunity to accept such invitation so as to hopefully provide the public with sufficient information and opportunity to vet such sources’ allegations and claims for themselves. We have also communicated the foregoing directly to Cloud Imperium Games.
dsmart wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 17:07:
in space noone can here you threaten a lawsuit
star citizen lawsuits and journalism ethics
Quboid wrote on Oct 5, 2015, 16:51:dsmart wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:54:Quboid wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 19:50:
Regardless of the definition of doxxing, I think you should leave their daughter the hell out of it. That's just not cool. If you feel to need to put up a rebuttal to doxxing allegations, fine, but when your rebuttal is its self a dick move, you've done more than wasted your time.
I don't agree with a word Tumbler says, for what it's worth. I think that you are doing this for the right reasons and you have done a lot to encourage an important discussion, even if it is a discussion with more toxic emissions than a Volkswagon testing facility.
For the last time, stop trying to change the narrative. I have known about this since May. It never appeared in my blog or Twitter feed. Until someone made the connection and posted. And he didn't post it because of kids. It was Sandi, and the kid just happened to be in the picture. Like the millions of kids online in their parents pictures. sheesh
"If you feel to need to put up a rebuttal to doxxing allegations, fine, but when your rebuttal is its self a dick move, you've done more than wasted your time."
I'm not trying to change the narrative, I'd like you to stop making it so easy for those *who actually disagree with you* to change the narrative.
dsmart wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 21:54:Quboid wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 19:50:
Regardless of the definition of doxxing, I think you should leave their daughter the hell out of it. That's just not cool. If you feel to need to put up a rebuttal to doxxing allegations, fine, but when your rebuttal is its self a dick move, you've done more than wasted your time.
I don't agree with a word Tumbler says, for what it's worth. I think that you are doing this for the right reasons and you have done a lot to encourage an important discussion, even if it is a discussion with more toxic emissions than a Volkswagon testing facility.
For the last time, stop trying to change the narrative. I have known about this since May. It never appeared in my blog or Twitter feed. Until someone made the connection and posted. And he didn't post it because of kids. It was Sandi, and the kid just happened to be in the picture. Like the millions of kids online in their parents pictures. sheesh
Tumbler wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 17:42:Agreed. It seems pretty obvious that DS is furious that CR can leave the industry for a decade only to return and be seen to redefine PC gaming. Even CR's worst disaster is many orders of magnitude better than anything DS has put out. Gamers couldn't care less about the indie crap DS has to pedal yet he still likes to pretend he's relevant. And now sadly he's found a way to be relevant - attacking another developer. Never has he had so much attention and sadly it's probably benefiting his sales.
@DSmart
I'd love to know how your grudge started with these two. (or three?)
I think I can take a guess:
Maybe it just rubbed you the wrong way that he comes back after 12 years and gamers jump for joy that the space sim might be coming back? You've been making space sims during that time! The fans should be supporting you if they want space sims.
But that son of a bitch scammer mother fucker roberts is hogging all that money. Some of that should be yours! You'll show him! You'll show all of them!
Your game is only failing because all those consumers put their money into SC instead of Line of Defense. They'd buy your game if Chris didn't show up and ruin everything. Your game is great. If only someone could knock that smug bastard off his high horse. Him and his wife and brother too. They're all responsible for this. My game is going to fail because of them! Fuck them. I'll ruin them.
Ever had those thoughts? You're not fooling anyone. The resentment, anger and disgust is easy to see in your writing. I'm spent over $1,000 on the game to date and even if it falls apart completely I don't think I'll ever have as much anger about it as you do. So my guess is that there is more than just $250 you're upset about...something personal. And how much more personal does it get than a game you create. You pour so much time and energy, passion and love into that project and everyone doesn't care. But you care. It's your baby and you care, just like a parent cares about their children.
I get it. Maybe this was just one too many, all the games before now, and this one too. It's got to feel awful to not see the same respect and attention given to your game as CR's. I'll bet CR's game's inspired you. And you've been working all this time to try and build something that fans love and cherish just like CR did.
The pain won't stop. It won't matter if you "win". You'll still be angry. You'll still feel disappointed in yourself. You need to forgive yourself for not being good enough. It's ok to not live up to CR's shadow. You tried and that is more than most people will ever do. It's ok to fail. It doesn't need to define you. Go find something that will make you happy. That's the only way to stop the pain you feel.
Quboid wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 19:50:
Regardless of the definition of doxxing, I think you should leave their daughter the hell out of it. That's just not cool. If you feel to need to put up a rebuttal to doxxing allegations, fine, but when your rebuttal is its self a dick move, you've done more than wasted your time.
I don't agree with a word Tumbler says, for what it's worth. I think that you are doing this for the right reasons and you have done a lot to encourage an important discussion, even if it is a discussion with more toxic emissions than a Volkswagon testing facility.
theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 15:59:eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 12:49:Yup, it seems Derek Smart doesn't understand what doxing is. Derek Smart is a scumbag at the best of times but doxing Chris Roberts' family is egregious even for him.dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 12:30:
1) Nobody "doxed" Chris Roberts. It’s FALSE, 1
Plus, he doxed himself in his rant
Yeah.. uh, you might wanna check your definition of doxing.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snimul
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents), or doxxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual from (among others) public sources....
You just doxxed his 5 year old daughter and wife in the same piece where you claim you didn't do it. Really classy ,)
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 12:49:Yup, it seems Derek Smart doesn't understand what doxing is. Derek Smart is a scumbag at the best of times but doxing Chris Roberts' family is egregious even for him.dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 12:30:
1) Nobody "doxed" Chris Roberts. It’s FALSE, 1
Plus, he doxed himself in his rant
Yeah.. uh, you might wanna check your definition of doxing.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snimul
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents), or doxxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual from (among others) public sources....
You just doxxed his 5 year old daughter and wife in the same piece where you claim you didn't do it. Really classy ,)
eRe4s3r wrote on Oct 4, 2015, 12:49:dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 12:30:
1) Nobody "doxed" Chris Roberts. It’s FALSE, 1
Plus, he doxed himself in his rant
Yeah.. uh, you might wanna check your definition of doxing.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snimul
vs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing
Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents), or doxxing is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting personally identifiable information about an individual from (among others) public sources....
You just doxxed his 5 year old daughter and wife in the same piece where you claim you didn't do it. Really classy ,)
dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 12:30:
1) Nobody "doxed" Chris Roberts. It’s FALSE, 1
Plus, he doxed himself in his rant
dsmart wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 12:30:Probably too early to say the project is nail-in-the-coffin close, but that response did him no favors. If he was looking to refute and boost confidence in people with growing skepticism like myself, he failed.
At the end of the day, his rant has done more harm than good and has all but put the nail on the coffin for this project and his company.
1) Nobody "doxed" Chris Roberts. It’s FALSE, 1Yeah, where did this come from? Links anyone?
5) An article corroborating some of the Escapist story about employee abuse, 1Interesting article, thanks.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 19:07:
My comments are based on evidence as I've read or seen them.
Krovven wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 17:32:Exactly, it's part of a much larger pattern.Cpmartins wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 16:20:It's more than one post. Looking at your post history you haven't been involved in any of the many previous threads on the topic in recent days, weeks and months. Maybe you should think twice about getting involved in someone else's conversation without having any knowledge of past conversations that was referred to?
I don't see how doubting someone's credentials is equivalent to the irrational hatred of all women. Unless you are trying your hand on some hyperbole to discredit his points. Yeah, I'm guessing that's it.
Prior to getting his refund Kxmode wasn't so bad. Since getting his refund, he has gone full on Derek Smart bonkers.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 19:07:What nonsense. You were asked to provide evidence that she lied about her degree and haven't; you were asked to provide evidence as to how she is bad at her job and you haven't.
My comments are based on evidence as I've read or seen them. I always like to use facts as much as I can given the climate of these discussions.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 14:43:You claim that all she does is simply tell other people what to do but you haven't provided any evidence to support that claim. Please, tell us how you know everything she does as VP of Marketing - to make such a claim you must have evidence, so please provide it. You're so full of bullshit it's unbelievable.
She's doesn't actually put out any marketing information. Many of the monthly reports and site information is written by Ben Lesnick and other members of Sandi's marketing team. In fact most of the actual marketing work was done by highly skilled, less paid members of the team. Sandi is just a face plate who also happens to be Chris' wife.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 1, 2015, 20:47:
The issue with Sandi is she's not just Chris' wife sitting on the side lines baking cookies and occasionally showing up at the office to drop off the kids.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 1, 2015, 22:31:
I wrote that based on my many years working in an office of married coworkers. Their wives occasionally stop by the office to drop off a child while they run errands. Occasionally they'll leave plates of cookies or Rice Krispy treats for the office to enjoy.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 14:43:The sad thing is you don't even realise that you're being misogynistic. You seem to suggest that because Sandi Gardiner is married to Chris Roberts that she cannot possibly be good at her job, that her only value is as a breeding partner, that her only contribution to society is to bring him cookies. You're a misogynistic pig.
Sandi is just a face plate who also happens to be Chris' wife.
Sepharo wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 01:28:
You should at least make a note that you snipped something mid sentence. As it stands I wasn't sure what existing or lack of evidence was being discussed. Makes it seems like you're just discussing SC in general and not a specific claim as the original post made.
Kxmode wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 12:25:theyarecomingforyou wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 11:48:BobBob wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 11:14:You haven't provided any evidence to suggest that Sandi Gardiner isn't professional or capable of doing her job. She was been with the company since it was only a handful of employees and has been responsible for a recording breaking funding campaign. Your assertion is basically that because they're married she cannot possibly be doing a good job, which is ludicrous.
No one likes nepotism; except for the relative, of course. The typical result is favoritism and the inability of most employees to rise in rank over a hired relative. And you can just forget about winning in the business's political culture or being fairly treated during social disputes. Don't except true professionalism.
Now you're just being stupid.
THERE IS EVIDENCE. There are reams of documented evidence of Sandi claiming to have degrees from various schools including UCLA. I'm not going to spend the next 45 minutes aggregating it all together. Go research this shit on your own or go visit Derek's blogs. It's all fully documented there complete with screenshots of stuff that CIG deleted to hide evidence.
Some of you White Knight backers give me pause.![]()