Burrito of Peace wrote on Oct 3, 2015, 23:33:
Rigs wrote on Oct 2, 2015, 13:27:
...I don't have enough time in the day to keep track of their mobile line or SSD performance or whatever it was Lansbury and Tacosalad were talking about...
That's an interesting sobriquet you've chosen for me, Rigs. I'm not entirely sure what I, personally, have done to earn it but thank you.
A very good friend of mine's nickname is actually Tacosalad, so I guess you might call it a term of endearment?
You should make the time because SoCs are going to be the mainline source of income for any chip manufacturer in the very near future. For some companies, that is already a fact. Without that mainline source of income for a chip manufacturer, niche products like video cards are going to be less and less important until they disappear entirely.
I'll give you an example. Intel, the largest hardware technology company ever, is focusing more and more on SoCs. They've flat out stopped making motherboards that aren't server or workstation class boards, and even then those boards are in limited designs and quantity. They are focused, in the consumer space, on the NUC design because it allows them to showcase their SoC/embedded/micro design and manufacturing capabilities. They've even taken it in to the enterprise sector with the Xeon D, which you can read about here. That's all on 14nm, by the way. What's AMD down to now? 28nm?
Iris Pro has always been targeted at the embedded/SoC/AIO/micro markets with the small benefit of being able to integrate it in to consumer oriented products as/if needed. Is it going to be performance gaming oriented? Hell no, but then most of the world's users aren't performance gaming oriented. They want to be able to play low stress games like Candy Crush, Minecraft, and other titles like it. Iris Pro will do that easily and in a tablet form or laptop form or even a cell form and it will do it with some pretty low power consumption? What does AMD have to counter that? All I hear is crickets.
Even if you wanted to narrowly compare AMD's ATi offerings against Nvidia's offerings, AMD is getting their ass handed to them there as well. Nvidia is refining and boosting their Tegra line (as I mentioned upthread with their X1) which is going in to Google's latest line of tablets. "But I don't buy Google tablets because..." doesn't matter. Other people do or other second tier manufacturers use them as reference designs for their own products if they aren't already going with Intel's solutions. The Surface Pro line is arguably the most powerful tablet cum laptop design in the world right now and it uses Intel's solution. If you buy a non-Pro, you're getting an Nvidia solution with the Tegra line. What does AMD have to compete with the entire tablet market? Nothing.
"B..b..but VIDEO CARDS!" OK, let's take a look at them. Hereis a comparison between a R390 and a 970. The R390 looks pretty good, right? But the 970 isn't the top of the line for Nvidia is it? Nope, that'd be the 980Ti. So let's bump the Radeon down to an equivalent class. That would be the 380. Here is that comparison. Uh oh, looks like the 970 destroys the R380 in absolute performance. Ouch.
Let's do top of the line. 390X versue 980GTX Ti. Well, here are those results. Pretty decent but AMD knew what the 980 series was going to be capable of because they had nearly a year since the launch of the 980GTX (non Ti) versus when they released the 390X. Again, ouch. The R390 is comparative to a one year old card and they released it this year.
I appreciate that you've explained all of that to me. I've had so much going on in the last two months that I have not had but a few minutes here and there to keep current on things related to gaming and computing. I would like nothing more than to sit down for an hour or two and go over it bit by bit but I just don't have the time. But that doesn't mean I'm not interested.
You've admitted that you're a fan boy and that's OK. I'm a Raiders fan and have been for years. However good the Raiders might look this year, it doesn't prevent me from honestly admitting that the Raiders have sucked for a very, very long time. I'm honestly not trying to antagonize you but you come off as pretty shrill and militant in your support of AMD. It makes you come off as a frothing, glazed eyed hype monkey. I've seen many of your posts over the years and, normally, you come across as a fairly rational person but in this thread...not so much.
I realize tone is a very hard thing to project in online communication, however I assure you that I was not frothing at the mouth, nor was I stamping my feet like a mad little boy. I will apologize though, as I broke one of my cardinal rules when commenting here at Blues. I don't post unless I have the time to fully explain my reasons (and any replies afterward) and I don't post if I don't know what I'm talking about. My other rule is that I don't post when I'm angry, tired, drunk, or hyper. As a writer, I tend to suffer from 'writers block' on occasion, however for the last few months I've been having a really hard time transferring my thoughts to words. Even when I'm talking this has become a serious problem, the words I want to say are there in my head but I just can't get them out. I know what
I want to say, just I don't know how
. And it's been getting worse. I should have kept my 'mouth' shut in this instance instead of going full-bore fanboy and putting 'MSW' on blast. I stepped into an argument I wasn't equipped to handle and I was more annoyed at my own inability to get out what I meant than what MSW
was saying and that shows in my responses.
I think for now, I'm just going to silently lurk and read until I have the ability to adequately and respectfully discuss something. Again, I appreciate you breaking down the details, I wish sites would do that more often for those of us that don't have hours to devote to comparing stats and benchmarks...