Wilson! wrote on Sep 18, 2015, 07:26:

InBlack wrote on Sep 18, 2015, 02:31:
Diablo3 had an atrocious story. Ugh, I shudder even now when I think how low Blizzard have fallen with their story telling, after the brilliant horror stories of D1 and D2...

Those games had no story, stop fooling yourself. Go back and actually play them now instead of relying on your childhood nostalgia.

No stories? Stop trolling, you are pathetic at it.

InBlack wrote on Sep 18, 2015, 02:31:
Diablo3 had an atrocious story. Ugh, I shudder even now when I think how low Blizzard have fallen with their story telling, after the brilliant horror stories of D1 and D2...

Those games had no story, stop fooling yourself. Go back and actually play them now instead of relying on your childhood nostalgia.

Diablo3 had an atrocious story. Ugh, I shudder even now when I think how low Blizzard have fallen with their story telling, after the brilliant horror stories of D1 and D2...

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Sep 17, 2015, 18:26:
Sure, but it's delivered in a very shitty way with massive gaps, like i've said.

The main director Hidetaka Miyazaki grew up reading english books with poor english skills so he strung together things in his mind to form the story. So he did that in the souls game. He's said that a few times in different interviews (i don't feel like looking them up).

Anyways, Souls games have a shit plot, cool looking settings but would really benefit from a better story. If you go to a movie, and you don't know what that movie is about after watching it 3-4 times and you're not in a lower percentile of intellect.. That movie FAILED to deliver anything other than flashing pictures. It's pretty much the same with these games. The only difference is that they have fun in them instead of idle watching.

There's better ways to deliver setting and plot than what they do.. If you want to talk about a game that also recently failed to deliver the plot in a proper way... Pillars of Eternity. Which is what I'm currently playing and I've been reading all the library books and still think it's poorly delivered. Great ideas in it... Bad execution. Thaos, Leaden Key, Adra.. Meh.

I had no problems piecing together the plot in any of these games and enjoyed them for what they were. In fact I appreciate the sort of dreamy, ethereal feel instead of ham fisted exposition at every turn like most other western games. I'm not sure why you obsess over this every time one of these comes up. If the lack of story is so problematic then play all of those other great ARPG games with stories like.......Diablo 3.

The environment is supposed to tell the story, something rarely done in video games. The bosses have little stories of their own (Artorias being the most obvious) which you can piece together from the odd bit of dialog, but Dark Souls is mostly about being steeped into the world itself in lieu of cutscenery and talking heads. It works.

That being said, the game is looking a little long in the tooth. Bloodborne was pretty samey in its own right and I played far less of it than Souls or Souls 2, but it varied enough to at least stay interesting. Something tells me Souls 3 isn't going to be received nearly as well.

Tipsy McStagger wrote on Sep 17, 2015, 18:26:
Sure, but it's delivered in a very shitty way with massive gaps, like i've said.

no, its like saying "ghosts and goblins" or "contra" or "bad dudes" has a storyline.. (are you a bad enough dude to save the president?)

the game is all about the action, it has nothing to do with anything else, really

its like the old school arcade shit in that way

'Proper' co-op this time?

jacobvandy wrote on Sep 17, 2015, 16:42:
It's an action RPG, you play it because you like the combat. A really good atmosphere with hints of lore that build this image of the world you're in is WAY better than a having a shitty soap opera crowbarred in, IMO.

Sure, but it's delivered in a very shitty way with massive gaps, like i've said.

The main director Hidetaka Miyazaki grew up reading english books with poor english skills so he strung together things in his mind to form the story. So he did that in the souls game. He's said that a few times in different interviews (i don't feel like looking them up).

Anyways, Souls games have a shit plot, cool looking settings but would really benefit from a better story. If you go to a movie, and you don't know what that movie is about after watching it 3-4 times and you're not in a lower percentile of intellect.. That movie FAILED to deliver anything other than flashing pictures. It's pretty much the same with these games. The only difference is that they have fun in them instead of idle watching.

There's better ways to deliver setting and plot than what they do.. If you want to talk about a game that also recently failed to deliver the plot in a proper way... Pillars of Eternity. Which is what I'm currently playing and I've been reading all the library books and still think it's poorly delivered. Great ideas in it... Bad execution. Thaos, Leaden Key, Adra.. Meh.

It's an action RPG, you play it because you like the combat. A really good atmosphere with hints of lore that build this image of the world you're in is WAY better than a having a shitty soap opera crowbarred in, IMO.

1badmf wrote on Sep 17, 2015, 16:01:
do these games have a good story?

has none. zero. a few fragments of ideas scattered around - thats it

Tell me what Dark Souls 1,2 are about.. same with demon souls..

The games are crazy obscure plot. Wish they did a better job of telling a story.

Instead, we get artsy fartsy item descriptions with huge holes in the plot for people to make up their own interpretation.

Anyways, Dark souls 2 was really fun, Bloodborne was really fun.. Looking forward to playing Dark souls 3 but wishing it actually had a plot...

do these games have a good story? that actually looks pretty fun.

Nah we're pretty busy these days so I'm trying to be more choosy with games. Maybe XCOM2 though, I really enjoyed the first one despite the warts and lack of randomized maps.

Verno wrote on Sep 17, 2015, 10:09:
Almost done with my covenant PvP stuff in DS2 then I'm ready for Fallout 4 to tide me over until this!

No Just Cause 3, Deus Ex : WhateverTheNewOneIsCalled or Xcom 2 for you, Verno?

That bit with the dragon looked awesome.

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Looks awesome. DS2 was my GotY last year. Looks like DS3 might be my GotY next year.

Awesome really looking forward to this. I just hope the armor system makes a bit more sense, fashion souls is fun and all but it would be nice if damage reduction made more sense with heavy armor. It feels like too much DR hinges on shields and armor is almost cosmetic outside of elemental defenses.

Almost done with my covenant PvP stuff in DS2 then I'm ready for Fallout 4 to tide me over until this!