jdreyer wrote on Sep 11, 2015, 05:29:
InBlack wrote on Sep 11, 2015, 03:50:
I was being facetious, but mark gil is being a fucking hypocrite. How many forests were cleared to plant all those crops like rice and grain, corn, potato, carrots etc.? How many natural habitats were destroyed in the process? How many animals have gone instinct over the millenia so that humanity can live more comfortably, i.e. eat more bread! He can delude himself all he wants, but he isn't contributing to the salvation of one single farm animal, and he is just as responsible for the death and extinction of wild animals as everyone else.
Actually, most of those forests being cleared are to make pasture for beef cattle:
According to one report, an estimated 70 percent of deforestation in the Amazon basin can be attributed to cattle ranching.
As a food source, meat and beef especially, are very inefficient. It takes 10 kg of grain and 1000 l of water to produce 1 kg of beef. Do the math. If you care about natural habitats, being vegetarian has by far the lowest impact. As for animals going extinct, the main reason is overhunting, not loss of habitat due to farming. Does plant farming have an impact? Absolutely, but it's lower than farming animals for meat, or hunting.
Those are all very dubious numbers. Also, compared to the US and South America, the rest of the world doesn't produce or consume nearly as much beef. One other thing, here in the EU cattle is not fed grain. (Not to mention the steroids and hormones, this is illegal in most EU countries). Still, all numbers aside the fact of the matter remains that humans are omnivores. Sure you can exist on plant matter alone, but a mixed diet is always going to be healthier for you. Eliminating meat & fish completely from your menu is going to be bad for your health any way you put it, unless you go out of your way to supplant that animal protein and fat with pecan nuts or something equally rare or expensive. Lastly people are still starving in many parts of the world, you look me in the eye and tell me those people don't have a right to butcher an animal or two they catch in the wild so their families don't have to starve.
I have a nifty blue line!