jdreyer wrote on Sep 11, 2015, 05:29:InBlack wrote on Sep 11, 2015, 03:50:
I was being facetious, but mark gil is being a fucking hypocrite. How many forests were cleared to plant all those crops like rice and grain, corn, potato, carrots etc.? How many natural habitats were destroyed in the process? How many animals have gone instinct over the millenia so that humanity can live more comfortably, i.e. eat more bread! He can delude himself all he wants, but he isn't contributing to the salvation of one single farm animal, and he is just as responsible for the death and extinction of wild animals as everyone else.
Actually, most of those forests being cleared are to make pasture for beef cattle:According to one report, an estimated 70 percent of deforestation in the Amazon basin can be attributed to cattle ranching.
As a food source, meat and beef especially, are very inefficient. It takes 10 kg of grain and 1000 l of water to produce 1 kg of beef. Do the math. If you care about natural habitats, being vegetarian has by far the lowest impact. As for animals going extinct, the main reason is overhunting, not loss of habitat due to farming. Does plant farming have an impact? Absolutely, but it's lower than farming animals for meat, or hunting.
InBlack wrote on Sep 11, 2015, 03:50:
I was being facetious, but mark gil is being a fucking hypocrite. How many forests were cleared to plant all those crops like rice and grain, corn, potato, carrots etc.? How many natural habitats were destroyed in the process? How many animals have gone instinct over the millenia so that humanity can live more comfortably, i.e. eat more bread! He can delude himself all he wants, but he isn't contributing to the salvation of one single farm animal, and he is just as responsible for the death and extinction of wild animals as everyone else.
According to one report, an estimated 70 percent of deforestation in the Amazon basin can be attributed to cattle ranching.
jdreyer wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 13:42:InBlack wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 09:35:mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 08:15:
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser
youtube.com/watch?v=AtWO83pf3Mc
What about the poor turnips? Won't anyone think of the poor tortured turnips? What about the carrots? Or the potato? How many potatoes get butchered into french fries day in day out...fucking genocide is what it is....
Give me a break. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, if not more so. Comparing them to turnips is insulting. If you like they way they taste, then just be a man and say "I eat bacon because it tastes good," but don't try to excuse it away with false equivalencies.
If there was more of this on the news, a lot more people would be vegetarian. It's hard not to watch something like Food, Inc or read Diet for a New America and not be affected. Maybe you won't become a vegetarian, but I'd be surprised if you didn't eat less meat. Economically, environmentally, spiritually, ethically, and healthwise, eating less meat has massive benefits for both individuals, your local environment, and the planet as a whole.
mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 19:29:
"But there is no reason to blur the facts of one is totally socially acceptable (meat eater) and one is totally unacceptable socially, animal cruelty. Most meat eaters want humane slaughtering conditions.
There is nothing wrong imo being a vegan, to those congrats you are ahead of your time. But we are fighting 1000's of years of conditioning. Perhaps in another 100 it will be that way. But to think this compares to something that is still socially a-ok, uh no."
not too long ago human slavery also used to be socially acceptable-does that make it morally justifable also? there is no humane way to kill someone who wants to live. if you would not wish to experience something yourself, how is it ethical to force others to do so-especially in the name of a momentary taste sensation?
the lady in this story is using the exact same justifications for her actions that people who choose to consume flesh, dairy and eggs use to try and justify theirs. in both cases the interests of the helpless, innocent victims are deemed less important that those commiting the violence in the name of pleasure and profit.
btw, choosing to be vegan is no more ahead of time than choosing not to do what the lady in the story was convicted of. harming and killing non-human animals for one's own personal gratification is the very LEAST one can do.
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 18:31:mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 08:15:
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser
youtube.com/watch?v=AtWO83pf3Mc
Perhaps in a perfect world.
But there is no reason to blur the facts of one is totally socially acceptable (meat eater) and one is totally unacceptable socially, animal cruelty. Most meat eaters want humane slaughtering conditions.
There is nothing wrong imo being a vegan, to those congrats you are ahead of your time. But we are fighting 1000's of years of conditioning. Perhaps in another 100 it will be that way. But to think this compares to something that is still socially a-ok, uh no.
mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 08:15:
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser
youtube.com/watch?v=AtWO83pf3Mc
InBlack wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 09:35:mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 08:15:
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser
youtube.com/watch?v=AtWO83pf3Mc
What about the poor turnips? Won't anyone think of the poor tortured turnips? What about the carrots? Or the potato? How many potatoes get butchered into french fries day in day out...fucking genocide is what it is....
mark gil wrote on Sep 10, 2015, 08:15:
“So many people insist they are against animal abuse, cruelty, suffering and the inhumane treatment of animals, yet they don’t understand they are actively engaging in and supporting egregious suffering, abuse, cruelty and inhumane treatment when they eat animals and their ‘by-products.’ If you are against cruelty, suffering and inhumane treatment, then you go vegan. It’s just that simple.” - Sarah Kiser
youtube.com/watch?v=AtWO83pf3Mc
harlock wrote on Sep 9, 2015, 19:21:
these brainless, boneheaded chimps think they are some kinda heroes in their murderous hatred, thing is - they arent heroes, they arent "right", they arent "good"
just the same as the rest of the scumbags - thats what they are
“You can judge a society by how well it treats its prisoners.”
Fyodor Dostoevsky
NamecaF wrote on Sep 9, 2015, 22:30:
In this case, eye for an eye isn't even enough. Her suffering would end too soon. She should be tortured to death over a very long, protracted period of time.
Anyone who abuses or murders those much weaker than themselves (eg. animals, kids) deserves the most horrendous, painful form of punishment possible.