Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 22:56:

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:43:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

For fucks sake it's just a fucking list display and they already have the fucking code...They will have had to have spent time removing the feature, not adding it!!!!

Its just fucking suit and tie twats fucking us over AGAIN!

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 14:46:

Jackplug wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 14:33:
I think auto-pass for me too, no server browser means playing with friends will be gone. Looks like Dice have removed another community asset from their games and stuck another middle finger up at us. I can imagine no map editor or any tools for community modding, so we can expect the usual drip feed of maps an weapons.

Ohwell there are other games more worthy of our attention!

No server browser does not mean playing with friends is gone. You can play with friends in games that have matchmaking already. LoL and DOTA2 do it, consoles have been doing it for a long time.

And they are shite!! i tried dota2, fell asleep waiting for it!!

Lol thanks. And yeah, I better quit too. I'll get myself all riled up!

Nah I've pretty much said what I have to say already, if you're bored I suggest http://agar.io/

VERNO! There you at! Wanna go a few rounds. It's gonna be a slow work day today so I'll be mostly bored.

Bundy wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 09:37:
I was trying to explain why they likely removed it. Man this board can be the worst sometimes. Go against the tide and everyone calls you names.

People call you names no matter what here, its the result of very little moderation. In this case though it feels like you're trying to browbeat your explanation into people. It's not like people don't understand that console development leads feature build out but that isn't going to make them feel any better about their platform of choice being treated poorly. Many console games might not feature server browsers but that doesn't mean they are some dubious unprofitable venture as several users posted examples of already, some even on the consoles. Ultimately the developer can do whatever it wants but that doesn't mean people are going to be happy about it and a patronizing explanation isn't going to make them feel any better.

In this case it feels especially unjustified as they already have the tech built and use it in another game that accommodates both server browsing and matchmaking very well. What was the point of building out Battlelog and Origin if they aren't going to use them? Just another case of EA being incredibly schizophrenic and people are right to call it out.

Krowen wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 07:35:

Reading comprehension. I don't really care for your armchair analyst opinion about PC sales.

I was telling you why it was likely removed. I don't care what games still do it, more games are losing the feature now, then ones still carrying it.

harlock wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 08:50:
wtf are people surprised about? theyve been doing this kind of shit for years now, its the standard

server browsers are pretty much extinct now in AAA... thats dinosaur shit to them

Exactly.

InBlack wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 02:46:
It's not about shock Bundy, it's about doing the right thing. Which is not buying this game. Apparently you feel differently and have told everyone why, so don't start a tantrum when everyone calls you out for being an ass...

I was trying to explain why they likely removed it. Man this board can be the worst sometimes. Go against the tide and everyone calls you names.

This comment was edited on Sep 3, 2015, 09:46.

wtf are people surprised about? theyve been doing this kind of shit for years now, its the standard

server browsers are pretty much extinct now in AAA... thats dinosaur shit to them

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 22:56:
Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

Reading comprehension. I don't really care for your armchair analyst opinion about PC sales.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

DangerDog wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 16:01:

The opposite of this though is people who can't stand the 24/7 servers and feel ripped off when they look at the server browser and the only thing running is 24/7 metro. A perfect example of this is Battlefield Hardline where the population has shrank to just a handful of players and the most popular server is 24/7 "The Block" which is the worst map ever created for a battlefield game.

Altering the gameplay with scripts "No explosives, No Shotguns" etc is also an issue of contention between DICE who say it's against the rules and players who are frustrated by it.


Don't get me wrong, I wish they had put a server browser in the game and had matchmaking as an option. I'm just commenting on the reasons why I think DICE did this. If for no other reason DICE have always sucked at making server browsers, I think they even dropped support for Chrome with Battlelog (or maybe Google fucked it up). Look at how long it took them to add a functional in game browser to Bad Company 2.

I understand that though, but there's a reason why people can sit on those maps. There better for the person playing. And as you said some do get stuck having to be there cause its the only one with players active. But there's reasons for that too.

I hope it stays EA server side and not peer-topeer that would be some wild bullshit then at 64's.

Yeah, everyone let's boycott this game.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/22072/1195027-abxw9.png

lol

It's not about shock Bundy, it's about doing the right thing. Which is not buying this game. Apparently you feel differently and have told everyone why, so don't start a tantrum when everyone calls you out for being an ass...

Bundy wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 00:58:

Sepharo wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 00:39:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 22:56:

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:43:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

So you're just not reading the other posts that have pointed out that matchmaking and server browsers can both exist at the same time... and that this particular developer already has BF4 with matchmaking and a server browser on both consoles and PCs... and that this game uses the same engine as that game?

I'm saying that the PC version follows the console dev. Clearly, the server browser was removed, probably b/c console users didn't use it much. So it got dropped, which propagated to all versions.

Why I even bother commenting on these threads is because I'm still shocked at that after more than a decade of PC gamers getting shafted by EA, Microsoft and all the other players in the gaming industry that put all their money and effort to where the profits are (consoles), that people here are still shocked when stories like this come out. Of course a PC centric feature was dropped from a AAA game. This is barely news.

So go ahead and rage about it. Boycott whatever you like, they won't change a damn thing. Not until there's a bigger market and money to be made in PC gaming. That's all they care about.

You were the one talking about cutting out matchmaking... no need for that.

Sepharo wrote on Sep 3, 2015, 00:39:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 22:56:

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:43:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

So you're just not reading the other posts that have pointed out that matchmaking and server browsers can both exist at the same time... and that this particular developer already has BF4 with matchmaking and a server browser on both consoles and PCs... and that this game uses the same engine as that game?

I'm saying that the PC version follows the console dev. Clearly, the server browser was removed, probably b/c console users didn't use it much. So it got dropped, which propagated to all versions.

Why I even bother commenting on these threads is because I'm still shocked at that after more than a decade of PC gamers getting shafted by EA, Microsoft and all the other players in the gaming industry that put all their money and effort to where the profits are (consoles), that people here are still shocked when stories like this come out. Of course a PC centric feature was dropped from a AAA game. This is barely news.

So go ahead and rage about it. Boycott whatever you like, they won't change a damn thing. Not until there's a bigger market and money to be made in PC gaming. That's all they care about.

This comment was edited on Sep 3, 2015, 01:10.

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 22:56:

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:43:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

So you're just not reading the other posts that have pointed out that matchmaking and server browsers can both exist at the same time... and that this particular developer already has BF4 with matchmaking and a server browser on both consoles and PCs... and that this game uses the same engine as that game?

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 19:26:
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably the same developers from the popular video game series Battlefield, using technology they developed for Battlefield with EA marketing the game as "from the makers of Battlefield". Is it any fucking surprise people might associate the game with Battlefield?

Not to mention it's a sequel to a series that was basically Battlefield 1942 with a Starwars mod. There's more reason to expect more of that than not. If they don't want to deliver that then so be it.

Krowen wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:43:

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.

Don't kid yourself, the PC sale numbers for this game won't come anywhere even close to the console sales. It all comes down to resources. Will cutting out the matchmaking code that was written for consoles and replacing it with a server browser for just PC increase sales enough to account for the time and money cost to implement it? You really think there are enough PC gamers that are going to not purchase this game over this issue? Please.

Bundy wrote on Sep 2, 2015, 21:28:
It's not that big of a deal to the majority of gamers. Look at Call of Duty, nobody bitches about it there loud enough to hit the bottom line. Nobody gives a damn except a small segment of the weakest platform the game will be on. Is it really worth the development hours to them, to separate out the common matchmaking codebase? No chance.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself and they're making a game for several platforms, not just one. I don't give a shit if they think its not worth the time, if its not worth the time then don't release the game. I'm tired of hearing this excuse as if they're doing a charity for PC gamers, they're selling a fucking product and making money. If there was no profit in doing so they wouldn't bother. They do this shit because they can and its up to gamers to hold them accountable.

There are several popular games on the PC that do both matchmaking and server browsers just fine like CS:GO, TF2, shit even BF4 on the consoles can do it. There is no reason for this bullshit.