More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen

Interstellar Breach on Smart Speak is a new article from Derek Smart continuing his crusade against Star Citizen, as the outspoken developer speaks of legal action over the game's crowdfunding, in spite of his pledge having been refunded. Derek says: "Finally, in this legal action that I have now initiated, note that I haven’t asked for anything that benefits me in any, way, shape or form. This is not, and never was, about me nor my game." As usual, Derek is more passionate than concise, so 9,347 words later we're hard pressed to provide a TL;DR for this, but in short, this seems to be a call for accountability, collecting information from those desiring refunds, backed by the threat that this could escalate into a class-action lawsuit depending on the response. Here's a bit that covers that:
As all previous calls for accountability have failed, we don’t expect RSI to co-operate (hence the need to contact the Federal authorities), with us. Which means that the next steps, depending on how they respond to the letter, would be for a class-action lawsuit (already in various stages of preparation), to move forward and be immediately filed. And through that, we’re going to subpoena and depose every single key person, while asking for specific documents during discovery which will hopefully shed a light on what is going on. They will ask for protective orders, try to delay and drag things out etc. We will fight it every step of the way and my guess is that with the Federal authorities involved, it may get resolved even before it gets to trial; and then we’ll have answers either way.

And if they do fight this, they’re going to do it with your money, simply because they don’t believe that you – the backers – are entitled to accountability. If they had nothing to hide, resolving this matter should be very straightforward.
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Re: More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen
Aug 31, 2015, 12:09
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Scheherazade wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 22:39:
That wouldn't even buy 1 tyre for my car...

*Shrugs* 350 is like seriously 2 weeks in the mountains for me.

Or a round trip ticket to New Orleans.

But hey, if you feel like dropping a thousand dollars on tires, I got a limited edition concept of an eventual ship that I'd like to sell you!
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Aug 30, 2015, 17:33
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I won't lie -- I didn't read a lot of this and frankly I don't particularly care. I just wanted to stop by and say, it has to be better than talking about SC reaching their latest funding goal.
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Aug 30, 2015, 11:42
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nin wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 08:41:
jdreyer wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 02:43:
nin wrote on Aug 26, 2015, 10:46:
So we've reached peak SC. And we've long since reached peak drek. But combine the two? Thermite!


Amazing that this thread has blown up to 210+ comments.


I blame Blue.


It's sad to see a good thread wither and die.

"good" in the above sentence was used in the colloquial sense and not in the common vernacular.
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Aug 29, 2015, 12:13
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Kosumo wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 17:16:
Well those tyre's are a real physical good that you can use today on a car that is real and is finished .... as for Chris Roberts internet ships ... well ... yeah.

I was always wondering why Star Citizen fanboys always talked about 'grabby hands', I was like what the fuck are those? Now I know, it's Chris Roberts grabby hands going straight for his cult members wallets.

Tyres are also ephemeral. 500 a piece, and last 1.5 years if driven nicely. (I have a second set for sporting events, to not shred my dailies).
Internet space ships last much longer. (Edit : all I care about is DM, so AC - barring imbalances - scratches that itch as well as the PU/completed game would)

Grabby hands is when the player model in 1st person is unified with 3rd person, and what you see the model grabbing and holding from 3rd person is the same thing you see them grabbing and holding in 1st person. So animations of pressing buttons or picking up crap are viewed from the actual eyepoint. No items magically teleporting into your inventory or hands.

-scheherazade

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Re: More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen
Aug 28, 2015, 17:16
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Aug 28, 2015, 17:16
 
Well those tyre's are a real physical good that you can use today on a car that is real and is finished .... as for Chris Roberts internet ships ... well ... yeah.

I was always wondering why Star Citizen fanboys always talked about 'grabby hands', I was like what the fuck are those? Now I know, it's Chris Roberts grabby hands going straight for his cult members wallets.
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Aug 28, 2015, 13:22
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Scheherazade wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 22:39:

That wouldn't even buy 1 tyre for my car...

Damn, those are either some big or crazy tires. I put Michelin Pilot Super Sport on my car for the summer, got them at just under $320 (Canadian, so like $22.50 USD :p) a piece, but only for 18's.
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jdreyer wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 02:43:
nin wrote on Aug 26, 2015, 10:46:
So we've reached peak SC. And we've long since reached peak drek. But combine the two? Thermite!


Amazing that this thread has blown up to 210+ comments.


I blame Blue.

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Aug 28, 2015, 07:16
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SlimRam wrote on Aug 28, 2015, 04:20:
Think i'll just leave this right here... Rotfl

Yeah, I saw that one when it first came out. Some people are so creative. Rotfl
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Aug 28, 2015, 04:20
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Think i'll just leave this right here... Rotfl
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Re: More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen
Aug 28, 2015, 02:43
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nin wrote on Aug 26, 2015, 10:46:
So we've reached peak SC. And we've long since reached peak drek. But combine the two? Thermite!


Amazing that this thread has blown up to 210+ comments.
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Re: More Derek Smart vs. Star Citizen
Aug 27, 2015, 22:39
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Flatline wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 12:54:
Kosumo wrote on Aug 26, 2015, 19:30:
and hey, at just $350 they are a steal!

Dude that's almost a vacation for me. I honest to god can't believe that this shit is still happening, at this pace.

It's gone the way of beanie babies in the 90's. Huge markups for supposedly rare commodities that actually aren't.

That wouldn't even buy 1 tyre for my car...

But yeah, plenty of vacations to be had for tree piddy.


In all fairness, Ben was asking folks what they want CIG to do - not informing people of what is impending.

That said, of course CIG would benefit from it, and by asking makes it clear that they are open and willing, and just want a formal community 'ok' to dress it up nice.

-scheherazade
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Aug 27, 2015, 22:20
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dsmart wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 19:34:
Oh man, I'm so going to use that one too!!

btw, the comment section in that blog is getting lively. You should pop-in

Yup. Clarified one poster's comment about 3 years versus 4 years. That shit really needs to stop. Even Chris confirmed development age is now 4 years old.
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Aug 27, 2015, 19:57
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{PH}88fingers wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 19:40:
I thought the petition reply was pretty accurate:

Reply to Dsmart

I did a spit-take when I read this:

your own acidic proclamations and statements which clearly indicate you humor a fanciful wish of dethroning Chris Roberts and taking over his company and game

Wat?
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Aug 27, 2015, 19:40
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I thought the petition reply was pretty accurate:

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Aug 27, 2015, 19:34
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Kxmode wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 18:50:
dsmart wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 14:44:
#BlackKnightsMatter So I wrote another blog post.

Glad my joke comment turned into something meaningful. I believe the words of Robertson Davies applies to Star Citizen White Knights perfectly. "Fanaticism is overcompensation for doubt."

#BlackKnightsMatter

Oh man, I'm so going to use that one too!!

btw, the comment section in that blog is getting lively. You should pop-in
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dsmart wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 14:44:
#BlackKnightsMatter So I wrote another blog post.

Glad my joke comment turned into something meaningful. I believe the words of Robertson Davies applies to Star Citizen White Knights perfectly. "Fanaticism is overcompensation for doubt."

#BlackKnightsMatter

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#BlackKnightsMatter So I wrote another blog post.
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Aug 27, 2015, 13:56
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Kosumo wrote on Aug 27, 2015, 03:10:
I doubt it was Ben 'Chris's Goebbels' Lesnick idea, but he will be the fall guy
Comparing Ben to a Nazi war criminal? Mate, calm it down. You've lost any credibility. Move on.
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Aug 27, 2015, 12:54
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Kosumo wrote on Aug 26, 2015, 19:30:
and hey, at just $350 they are a steal!

Dude that's almost a vacation for me. I honest to god can't believe that this shit is still happening, at this pace.

It's gone the way of beanie babies in the 90's. Huge markups for supposedly rare commodities that actually aren't.
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Aug 27, 2015, 03:10
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OK, I'm feeling there has now been a turning in the sub-reddit of support for Star Citizen over this.

Where as negitave comment where often down voted, on this they are getting up voted.

Thinking that there will be damage control post trying to down play this soon.

I hope that Chris Roberts fires Ben 'dancing planet' Lesnick over this just so we can then see just what a great, loyal guy Chris is when the pressures is on. (I doubt it was Ben 'Chris's Goebbels' Lesnick idea, but he will be the fall guy)

The crack is expanding down the dam now, towards the foundations, just a matter of time (not the CIG time neither)
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