Hardware acceleration with FF has always been troublesome and is best left disabled.

AMD to Nvidia: 'Like OMFG! U guyz r totes raceist!'

Pigeon wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 16:37:

ForgedReality wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 12:38:

Pigeon wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 10:24:
The tool they mentioned from Microsoft worked well for me, seems less hassle than the manual method. I also went the clean install route, which involved upgrading first, verifying that my key had been registered as "genuine", copying down the new key, and then doing the 'clean install from a USB method'. I did notice with the delete everything upgrade choice there were still some files in my base c:\, and I suspect some of the old win 8 drivers were reused. I didn't do anymore digging to see what, if anything else, was left behind.

So far so good, only issue I'm having is firefox crashing when I open a newtab (ctrl+t). If I change the behavior to display a blank page or my home page it works. If I start firefox in safe-mode (firefox's safe-mode) it works. Having addons installed doesn't seem to effect it either way. I'll try to suss out what's going on more later today. Any insights are welcome though.

Set your homepage to http://www.google.com

Turning off hardware acceleration seemed to fix the problem; I don't know why I didn't try that first, it seems to solve a lot of problems with Firefox... I actually like the frequently visited sites tab, slightly more convenient than using bookmarks.

Good to know. Glad you fixed it. Maybe there are some drivers you need to reinstall or possibly they're buggy with W10.

ForgedReality wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 12:38:

Pigeon wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 10:24:
The tool they mentioned from Microsoft worked well for me, seems less hassle than the manual method. I also went the clean install route, which involved upgrading first, verifying that my key had been registered as "genuine", copying down the new key, and then doing the 'clean install from a USB method'. I did notice with the delete everything upgrade choice there were still some files in my base c:\, and I suspect some of the old win 8 drivers were reused. I didn't do anymore digging to see what, if anything else, was left behind.

So far so good, only issue I'm having is firefox crashing when I open a newtab (ctrl+t). If I change the behavior to display a blank page or my home page it works. If I start firefox in safe-mode (firefox's safe-mode) it works. Having addons installed doesn't seem to effect it either way. I'll try to suss out what's going on more later today. Any insights are welcome though.

Set your homepage to http://www.google.com

Turning off hardware acceleration seemed to fix the problem; I don't know why I didn't try that first, it seems to solve a lot of problems with Firefox... I actually like the frequently visited sites tab, slightly more convenient than using bookmarks.

descender wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 15:58:

Seriously? We've reverted to Win 3.1 days? Wow.

... No?

If you have anything overclocked and you have any problem... if that isn't the first thing you disable you don't know WTF you are doing. Disconnecting unnecessary USB devices during an OS install is just good practice.

This is not necessary unless you are having problems completing the install. I've done the upgrade to 7 machines so far and this wasn't necessary on any of them so far. I have had 1 machine seemingly "hang" during the last part of the installation, but 1 reboot brought it right back into the setup and it completed fine.

My point was, that's something you used to have to do many many many years ago. I've done tons of installs and system builds, and I've never had that issue since like the friggin DOS days.

And if your overclock breaks a software install, your overclock is unstable.

Seriously? We've reverted to Win 3.1 days? Wow.

... No?

If you have anything overclocked and you have any problem... if that isn't the first thing you disable you don't know WTF you are doing. Disconnecting unnecessary USB devices during an OS install is just good practice.

This is not necessary unless you are having problems completing the install. I've done the upgrade to 7 machines so far and this wasn't necessary on any of them so far. I have had 1 machine seemingly "hang" during the last part of the installation, but 1 reboot brought it right back into the setup and it completed fine.

Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 13:44:
I've often thought that Nvidia could be deliberately manipulating their drivers in order to reduce performance in such a way that their cards still outperform AMD but don't take full advantage of the cards so that people are forced or compelled to upgrade more often. People will come back and say that the cards are tacked out at 100% usage on the GPU and VRAM so it would appear that my thoughts are invalid, but how can we be sure that it's all legit and not some kind of bloatware or something in the driver or planted in the games that Nvidia helps the devs with. It's actually a brilliant strategy from a corporate point of view if it's true.

It's really not that far fetched.

Games just get more complex. That has nothing to do with the drivers causing the card to underperform. That does not happen. My videocard is 5 years old, and still performs just as well as it did the day I bought it. It runs tons of games at maximum, 1440p well into the triple digit framerates. Obviously, newer titles won't run as smoothly on older hardware, but that's the nature of technology. This card still runs newer titles impressively well though, so I'd say there is absolutely zero merit to that paranoid delusion of a conspiracy theory. I've heard it told before too. It's simply not true.

descender wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 14:31:
Definitely disable any overclocking you may have in place... and disconnect all peripherals, seems to help get through the install where people have trouble.

Seriously? We've reverted to Win 3.1 days? Wow.

I downloaded it to a USB stick and worked like a charm.

Have to say.. I like Windows 10.. except my Weather tile won't update to local weather

Definitely disable any overclocking you may have in place... and disconnect all peripherals, seems to help get through the install where people have trouble.

Eh, I've tried 3 times to upgrade the ole PC to Win 10 using the 'Media Creation' tool thingy and it keeps stopping the install at about 75% and showing the 'Something happened' screen. It then puts the old Win 7 back on my computer and restarts it like nothing happened? It installed perfectly on my laptop sooooo i'm not really sure what's going on? I guess i'm going to wait until my 'official' upgrade is available through windows update but not sure if it'll make any difference, we'll see *shrug*

I've often thought that Nvidia could be deliberately manipulating their drivers in order to reduce performance in such a way that their cards still outperform AMD but don't take full advantage of the cards so that people are forced or compelled to upgrade more often. People will come back and say that the cards are tacked out at 100% usage on the GPU and VRAM so it would appear that my thoughts are invalid, but how can we be sure that it's all legit and not some kind of bloatware or something in the driver or planted in the games that Nvidia helps the devs with. It's actually a brilliant strategy from a corporate point of view if it's true.

It's really not that far fetched.

Pigeon wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 10:24:
The tool they mentioned from Microsoft worked well for me, seems less hassle than the manual method. I also went the clean install route, which involved upgrading first, verifying that my key had been registered as "genuine", copying down the new key, and then doing the 'clean install from a USB method'. I did notice with the delete everything upgrade choice there were still some files in my base c:\, and I suspect some of the old win 8 drivers were reused. I didn't do anymore digging to see what, if anything else, was left behind.

So far so good, only issue I'm having is firefox crashing when I open a newtab (ctrl+t). If I change the behavior to display a blank page or my home page it works. If I start firefox in safe-mode (firefox's safe-mode) it works. Having addons installed doesn't seem to effect it either way. I'll try to suss out what's going on more later today. Any insights are welcome though.

Set your homepage to http://www.google.com

Regardless of the validity of AMD's argument/complaint, reading the following as the start to it all...

AMD’s gaming scientist Richard Huddy...

I can't help cringing, I'm sorry it's embarrassing, it's stupid, it's up there with "The Chairman", hell it might even be worse.

"gaming scientist" lol


"gaming scientist" hahaha


"gaming scientist" wtf

Point there being, no it's not getting any less ridiculous the more you hear/read it.

edit,,

Though if you ever did look into that Crysis 2 tessellation nonsense, it is a great example of Nvidia getting things done to screw a competitor. Basically at the time NV had put a lot of eggs into tessellation performance on their hardware so that's where they shined. It's also not the only example of a game with some tie to Nvidia during that period suddenly tessellating the hell out of flat objects or even things which aren't visible.

This comment was edited on Jul 31, 2015, 12:43.

The tool they mentioned from Microsoft worked well for me, seems less hassle than the manual method. I also went the clean install route, which involved upgrading first, verifying that my key had been registered as "genuine", copying down the new key, and then doing the 'clean install from a USB method'. I did notice with the delete everything upgrade choice there were still some files in my base c:\, and I suspect some of the old win 8 drivers were reused. I didn't do anymore digging to see what, if anything else, was left behind.

So far so good, only issue I'm having is firefox crashing when I open a newtab (ctrl+t). If I change the behavior to display a blank page or my home page it works. If I start firefox in safe-mode (firefox's safe-mode) it works. Having addons installed doesn't seem to effect it either way. I'll try to suss out what's going on more later today. Any insights are welcome though.

CJ_Parker wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 09:40:
Or advertising a card as "King of the Hill" and then deliver a molehill mountaineer.

They need to STFU and just get better at their own game.

They make one hell of a mudslinger though.

Hairworks looks amazing on a Nvidia machine in Witcher 3. How's that work out on AMD systems?

Seriously, shut up, AMD. You can talk smack when you can back up your words with performance.

lol@AMD

Know what's also "tragic" and "damaging", AMD? Releasing a video card that is advertised as an "overclocker's dream" and then having the card crap out after upping the clocks by 20MHz. Or advertising a card as "King of the Hill" and then deliver a molehill mountaineer.

They need to STFU and just get better at their own game.