Op Ed

Finder - How The Windows 10 App On Xbox One Could Kill The Steam Machines.
"The Xbox app in Windows 10 allows gamers to stream their play experiences from their console to their PC, but Microsoft is also hoping to share the love the other way – and this could be disastrous for Valve's upcoming Steam Machines."

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Re: Op Ed
Jul 31, 2015, 05:23
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Re: Op Ed Jul 31, 2015, 05:23
Jul 31, 2015, 05:23
 
People will care about privacy once the lack of it starts affecting them negatively. It's only natural that people aren't worried when they find out data collection has been going on for years or decades, and yet all their dirty secrets have not been used against them.

Most people have bigger worries in their life than who knows what porn they look at. Like putting food on the table, and worrying about how they are gonna pay their medical bills, or wondering if they are gonna get shot by some piggly wiggly at a traffic stop.

I'm not gonna pass judgement on anyone for having bigger fish to fry in the short term.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 31, 2015, 02:57
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Re: Op Ed Jul 31, 2015, 02:57
Jul 31, 2015, 02:57
 
Task wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:31:
What's more scary to me is that issues like those are generating a more apathetic tone in the public. Like "haha, this thing is spying on me" "hi nsa/facebook/whatever, here's my meta-data." And we know powerful organizations are still getting away it which is what generated the apathy (because when something goes truly unpunished, those that do it continue their practice); since all that spying activity was swept neatly under the rug. Its a very strange, scary, and fascinating part of history to be in.

This. More scary than the actual spying itself is the people who seem to be perfectly okay with it. They seem to be in the majority, and they seem to be very hostile to anyone making a big deal out of it. Im very careful about my online footprint. However when you agree to install this OS you are basically signing away ALL of your digital right for MS to use as they see fit. It's not Microsoft selling my data to the highest advertising bidder thats bothering me. It's Microsoft giving it away to the NSA or any other national government agency that wants it. No warrant required, no probable cause, nothing. I don't care about the NSA spying on me, Im not a US citizen so that is their job, but sooner rather than later my own government's equivalent agency will request access to the same backdoor and will probably get it, if MS wants to keep doing business in my country that is.

For those of you who still feel this is not a big deal go read 1984.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 31, 2015, 00:16
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Re: Op Ed Jul 31, 2015, 00:16
Jul 31, 2015, 00:16
 
Undocumented Alien wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 11:41:
Why on Earth would anyone install an OS that so blatantly spies on it's users?

LoL.. what doesn't collect data these days? iPhones, iPads, Android devices, NSA, they ALL do. And most have settings to turn them on or off. STEAM collects data if you let it.

Information technology collects data - it's kind of the whole point of it. The issue is who has access to that data - most free (as in freedom) OS's give you control over the data generated by your own system, and there are also ways to limit the tracking of your browsing and general internet use as well (Privoxy, VPNs, etc).

But yes I know having some privacy these days requires you to actively to something about it, which is a hassle and inconvenient. And the harms from not having privacy are subtle or slow to manifest themselves so you're not going to worry yourself about it.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 19:50
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 19:50
Jul 30, 2015, 19:50
 
The best thing you can do right now is throw money at the EFF.


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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 16:52
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 16:52
Jul 30, 2015, 16:52
 
Silicon Avatar wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 14:29:
Story on how to disable telemetry

There...

I think the telemetry data is only for apps but who knows.

I hope you guys concerned about privacy in your OS are more concerned about what's happening on the web. It is trivial to fingerprint your browser and follow your unique ID all over the place - and that's just to start.


The difference is that my web-browser doesn't know what's on my encrypted 20tb storage... but the Explorer.exe certainly does thanks to shit ton of registry hidden history and last-access nonsense.

And equally I am pretty sure that anyone who wants privacy is well aware of this -> https://panopticlick.eff.org/

Btw:
only one in 566,112 browsers have the same fingerprint as yours... sigh stupid Firefox is still shouting plugin support even if it's "click to activate" .. a bug called out for as long as this site is up
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 16:07
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Jul 30, 2015, 16:07
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 11:45:
Are there any articles/#'s out there with how many people they feel stream games in their own house? I know I could do it, but I just always conclude I rather just play it natively for the best overall experience.

I stream and glad Steam supports it. Game machine is in the living room and if wife is watching the tv I stream to the office machine. Works perfectly for that with almost no artifacts or latency. Admittedly not playing many FPSs these days.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 15:31
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 15:31
Jul 30, 2015, 15:31
 
What's more scary to me is that issues like those are generating a more apathetic tone in the public. Like "haha, this thing is spying on me" "hi nsa/facebook/whatever, here's my meta-data." And we know powerful organizations are still getting away it which is what generated the apathy (because when something goes truly unpunished, those that do it continue their practice); since all that spying activity was swept neatly under the rug. Its a very strange, scary, and fascinating part of history to be in.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 14:39
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 14:39
Jul 30, 2015, 14:39
 
People seem to be living under this ridiculously naive assumption that the OS they are currently using is not tracking and submitting the same exact things that people are claiming Windows 10 is tracking. As if not upgrading to Windows 10 will some how save you and your "data"... LOL

Most of the EULA sections people are posting have nothing to do with the complaints being made as well... it's all quite comical.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 14:29
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 14:29
Jul 30, 2015, 14:29
 
Story on how to disable telemetry

There...

I think the telemetry data is only for apps but who knows.

I hope you guys concerned about privacy in your OS are more concerned about what's happening on the web. It is trivial to fingerprint your browser and follow your unique ID all over the place - and that's just to start.

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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 14:10
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 14:10
Jul 30, 2015, 14:10
 
Where do you draw the line on what is acceptable data collection?
Can I put a cameras in your house or implant one in your head?

My father didn't like using credit cards and refused to carry a cellphone. He didn't like making it easy for "them" to track him. Was he a nut... maybe.

I refuse to have a Facebook account or smartphone/e-reader that sends usage statistics. The content of my communications, who my friends are, my location at every second are not for Google/Microsoft/NSA/Advertizes/general public.

You seem to be fine using an OS that tracks how you use every app on your computer, your typing habits, location, network usage, browsing history, files on your computer... It's possible to turn most(not all) of it off, have you? Most people are accepting this new data acquisition as nothing new or worrisome.

What will the next wave of acceptance bring? Where does it all end?

Last week I had a banker go through my credit card statement in front of me. He made comments on my life style(netflix, no cable) It was a little unnerving. Thank goodness I didn't have anything embracing on it.

If you haven't met anyone who doesn't agree with the way you live your life, you haven't met many people. If you haven't witnessed what is considered acceptable behavior change over time, you are still young. If you've never seen anyone willing to attack someone else based on who they are or how they live, you are oblivious. If everything there is to be known about you is available, don't ever become important. There are too many different ways to interpret reality, and too many different viewpoints for you to live a "clean" life. Enjoy being hidden in the chaff.

Otherwise Windows 10 looks like a good OS. Big improvement from past versions.


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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 13:38
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 13:38
Jul 30, 2015, 13:38
 
Slick wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:48:
Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:01:
I will never install Windows 10. Check this out.
Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used

Why on Earth would anyone install an OS that so blatantly spies on it's users?

I may have gotten this link from someone here on Bluesnews yesterday.

EDIT: I stopped using Windows 10 over 6 months ago because of all the spying and MS promised that all that would be removed by release and the data was only being used to improve Windows 10. I guess that was a steaming pile of bullshit. All the shills were repeating the same PR lines. I hope that this destroys MS. F*&^ them!

yeah, you can turn all of that stuff off in the initial setup. good luck holding out though, I'm sure this whole "horseless carriage" thing is just a fad too.

This bold part is wrong.

There are telemetry / privacy settings you can NOT turn off, unless you have the Enterprise edition. These continue to transmit all installed applications, including filenames and everything else linked in any way to a MS application on your PC, to MS.

To disable what you CAN you have to spend a good few minutes scrawling through settings

https://i.imgur.com/iHge6RJ.jpg

And this still leaves you with a giant gaping security hole. Telemetry information includes IP, MAC Address, Ethernet names, Devices attached, Hardware included etc. and can be used to create a unique fingerprint of you including a complete usage statistic of everything you do on your PC.

So imo this is a huge privacy issue.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 12:23
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Jul 30, 2015, 12:23
 
I sometimes stream games just for myself; but also on twitch mainly to test my PC rig.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 12:12
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 12:12
Jul 30, 2015, 12:12
 
I knew before I posted that those things could be disabled but I don't exactly trust MS or any of the alphabet soup agencies. I would prefer to wait until someone thoroughly tests to see if it is actually disabled.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 12:02
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 12:02
Jul 30, 2015, 12:02
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HorrorScope wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 11:45:
Are there any articles/#'s out there with how many people they feel stream games in their own house? I know I could do it, but I just always conclude I rather just play it natively for the best overall experience.

I use streaming from my PS4 to my Vita when the wife and kids are using the TV that the PS4 is on. It works great for most of the games I own and I am glad Sony does it. I could do the Steam streaming thing but I don't ever have the need. It's a feature that's nice to know I have but my current setup just doesn't provide an opportunity to use it very often.

I provided both examples because the amount of use of either is totally determined by my own unique circumstances. I find the PS4/Vita usage to be much more likely than a Steam streaming setup, but that's because that is how my house is setup. I too would be interested to see an article that shows how much people are really using this streaming feature witheir gaming hardware.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 11:56
Jivaro
 
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Jul 30, 2015, 11:56
 Jivaro
 
I don't understand why there is a comparison between the XBOX streaming and the Steam streaming. It's not a hardware selling feature, it's a feature someone would only use after they have the hardware. They buy the hardware because of the games. If they want to compare something maybe they should start there. I doubt that will happen though...

As for the whole Windows 10 privacy thing...Slick said it best. I can't add anything new to that.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 11:45
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Jul 30, 2015, 11:45
 
Are there any articles/#'s out there with how many people they feel stream games in their own house? I know I could do it, but I just always conclude I rather just play it natively for the best overall experience.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 11:42
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Jul 30, 2015, 11:42
 
I don't think that a direct comparison between the two would work out favorably for the Xbone, but in cases where people already have an xbone and they're thinking about streaming PC games to their living room TV, having that functionality available on their xbone would remove any reason to buy a Steam box.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 11:41
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 11:41
Jul 30, 2015, 11:41
 
Why on Earth would anyone install an OS that so blatantly spies on it's users?

LoL.. what doesn't collect data these days? iPhones, iPads, Android devices, NSA, they ALL do. And most have settings to turn them on or off. STEAM collects data if you let it.

I put Win 10 on my Surface Pro 3 yesterday, LOVE IT. Fast, easy, automatically switches between Desktop mode and Tablet mode.

As others have already said, go to Settings and simply turn off the "spying".
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 11:04
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 11:04
Jul 30, 2015, 11:04
 
Verno wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 09:52:
I tried it at a friends place, input lag was insane and quality wasn't good. It doesn't compare favorably to Steam In Home streaming.

Steam Link is a much cheaper solution to that whole concept anyway. If they want to stream the other way (PC to console) then they need to do proper KB/M support and while they give it lip service, I doubt they will bother.

Steam In Home streaming is indeed awesome (sub 7ms latency over WIFI at 1080p)
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 30, 2015, 10:53
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Re: Op Ed Jul 30, 2015, 10:53
Jul 30, 2015, 10:53
 
There's an entire privacy control panel dedicated to turning off things that you don't want.

It's worth checking out if you run Windows 10.

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