Out of the Blue

My time babysitting the guinea pig and leopard gecko is drawing to an end, and I'll miss visiting the critters. I'm not sure they'll miss me as much as I imagined, however. Yesterday I was visiting Buddy the gecko, and as always he seemed fascinated by me, coming over to where I pushed my finger against the glass and darting out his tongue to investigate. I decided to help satisfy his curiosity by sticking my finger in the tank, and he instantly darted over and bit me, so I think what I interpreted as friendly/curious gestures may have been him defending his territory (lizards are not known for their warmth, so this shouldn't be a shock). Whatever bitty little teeth the wee fellow has are inconsequential, so this did not hurt or anything, but I am saddened to have the illusion of our friendship shattered, and I am very sorry that I seemed to upset him.

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Julio wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 08:14:
Sepharo wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 20:03:
Hahaha eye-for-an-eye being argued as the evolved/civilized penalty.

Evolved yes, civilized no.

"Evolved" is kind of nebulous. Besides, evolution doesn't always result in something better or superior.
Humans evolved into social creatures. Our society, our civilization, is what set us apart from animals. Not to say that some animals don't have aspects of culture and society, because they do. Mammals in particular benefit from their social structures. Violent retaliation is a baser instinct not a more "evolved" one. But I'm sure you learned this in grade school like the rest of us.
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Julio wrote on Jul 31, 2015, 08:11:
Proportionally is eye for an eye. Not some soft slap on the wrist justice for those who can afford it.

He hasn't even been tried or sentenced but thanks for jumping to conclusions, I think you lost your club cave man. Your couch potato tough guy antics don't fool me, talk is cheap.

Back in the real world, he will be tried according to actual law and not some cave man era bullshit. He's already been tried in the court of public opinion and will likely lose his livelihood anyway which will prevent him from doing this trophy hunting again since it is very expensive. But hey no lets just murder everyone who commits a crime guys! Rolleyes
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Sepharo wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 20:03:
Hahaha eye-for-an-eye being argued as the evolved/civilized penalty.

Evolved yes, civilized no.
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Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 20:56:
Being evolved means we don't just give into baser instincts and instead punish people proportionally instead of your retarded eye for an eye bullshit.

Proportionally is eye for an eye. Not some soft slap on the wrist justice for those who can afford it.

Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 20:56:
He will be punished by the law, not by your idiotic couch potato vigilante bullshit that both know you will never actually follow through on.

I'd be happy to give him the same treatment he gave Cecil. Unfortunately the legal system isn't going to ok that one.

Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 20:56:
Too soft?...Nice job cutting out the parts of my response that you didn't have the guts to face by the way. That's some soft shit right there son.

I'm not your son - and glad of that. You had nothing else remotely meaningful to say.
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Jul 31, 2015, 03:12
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Jul 31, 2015, 03:12
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 21:20:
Julio wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 19:56:
Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 16:17:
blah...blah...blah...we can't murder everyone responsible unless you want to revert evolution entirely.

If being evolved means shooting, letting an animal suffer, beheading and skinning animals for fun...then we're not evolved at all. It would be an evolution to give the dentist the exact same penalty that he inflicted. And it would stop this type of thing going on next time.

But some people are too soft for that.

I don't believe in capital punishment, but I agree that the penalties for killing any animal unnecessarily are far too lenient. Penalties need to be much closer to manslaughter IMO.

Also, trophy hunting in general needs to be prohibited worldwide, with vast swaths of megafauna put on the no-kill list.

Most hunting IS prohibited worldwide. Except if you are rich. If you are rich you can pay a shitload of money to hunt whatever the fuck you like. Protected animals are just more expensive. The only reason people are giving a fuck about this story is because a big pussycat got shot. NO one gave a shit when this asshole killed a white rhino last year, one of the most endangered species in the world. It wasnt an illegal hunt either. He paid a huge ammount of cash to be allowed to do it. This is how the world works today, it's actually a perfect allegory on how Capitalism allows those in power (or with means) to do whatever the fuck they like, as long as they pay their dues. I'm surprised that you can't hunt people for sport already.

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Jul 31, 2015, 03:09
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Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 19:45:
mag wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 12:00:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 11:05:
Verno wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:51:
The EMDrive stuff is very interesting, it freaks me out to hear some of the smartest minds in the field admit it can work but that they can't explain how.

The thing that blows me fucking away about this drive, which I've been reading about for about a decade, is that no one wants to front the fucking money to actually test it in space. Point it at the moon and turn it on and if it works, then argue about how it can't possibly work. It took NASA over 15 years just to test it in their lab. It took the chinese to actually try it out first and then NASA to say "Ok maybe it works". I realize that it costs a metric fuck ton of money to send weight into space.. but I also know that we spend so little on space exploration technology.

There isn't even a scientific paper reporting test methodology and results, as far as I've been able to tell. All of the articles on it are from pseudoscience/crank blogs that just reference each other in a big circle jerk. They need to show something before anyone's going to dump a bunch of money into something that violates one of the fundamental laws of physics.

The last time they actually released any data on any of their tests: the thrust was in the wrong direction. It continued even when the power was turned off.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20140006052.pdf

It's not exactly a fully published one but they are testing it with thrust output.

My Dad is a theoretical physicist. When I told him yesterday about this drive that has been gaining traction in the experimental physicist community he was interested at first, but once I told him that it appears to break the law of conservation of momentum he immediately said it's bullshit. He wouldn't listen to anything after that, even though I told him that they tested it in NASA, the JPL and recently in Germany. I don't blame him though, there is no theoretical foundation on why it works and when you build something that works but have no idea why it works, you can't expect the scientific community to take you seriously. Their whole community is built on the peer reviewed process, and for good reason. Too many crackpots and snake oil salesmen exist in the world today. I hope this doesn't turn out to be an elaborate hoax, like the cold fusion thing. I don't understand why NASA or someone don't scale the thing up like the Chinese have done and produce something that they can show to theorists.
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Jul 30, 2015, 21:20
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Julio wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 19:56:
Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 16:17:
blah...blah...blah...we can't murder everyone responsible unless you want to revert evolution entirely.

If being evolved means shooting, letting an animal suffer, beheading and skinning animals for fun...then we're not evolved at all. It would be an evolution to give the dentist the exact same penalty that he inflicted. And it would stop this type of thing going on next time.

But some people are too soft for that.

I don't believe in capital punishment, but I agree that the penalties for killing any animal unnecessarily are far too lenient. Penalties need to be much closer to manslaughter IMO.

Also, trophy hunting in general needs to be prohibited worldwide, with vast swaths of megafauna put on the no-kill list.
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Jul 30, 2015, 21:16
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Blue wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:24:
Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:10:
I had an iguana for many years and it was very friendly. It came when I called it and would climb up onto my shoulder. It would also lay on my while I sat on the couch. They can be very good pets when raised properly.

Here's a lizard that's very friendly.

I don't blame Buddy. He belongs to a young man who was just a little kid when they got him, and afraid to pick him up, so Buddy never got used to being handled. If he was, I'm not sure he'd have let me pick him up, but I doubt he would have been so determined to bite me.

We have geckos where I live. If you catch them, they bite with their little toothless mouths. It tickles. The geckos are great by the way. Eat bugs by the ton.
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Julio wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 19:56:
If being evolved means shooting, letting an animal suffer, beheading and skinning animals for fun...then we're not evolved at all. It would be an evolution to give the dentist the exact same penalty that he inflicted. And it would stop this type of thing going on next time.

But some people are too soft for that.

I guess you don't need to worry about evolution given that you don't understand how ridiculous that statement is. What did the hunter do wrong? He shot an animal. What do you want to do him? Shoot him. Do you not see the irony there? You are no better than he is.

Being evolved means we don't just give into baser instincts and instead punish people proportionally instead of your retarded eye for an eye bullshit. He will be punished by the law, not by your idiotic couch potato vigilante bullshit that both know you will never actually follow through on.

Too soft? Don't make me laugh. You know what's hard? Rational responses to things that make your skin crawl. That's what grown ups do. They don't sit around jerking themselves off about idiotic revenge fantasies. That's what children do. Nice job cutting out the parts of my response that you didn't have the guts to face by the way. That's some soft shit right there son.

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Jul 30, 2015, 20:03
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Julio wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 19:56:
Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 16:17:
blah...blah...blah...we can't murder everyone responsible unless you want to revert evolution entirely.

If being evolved means shooting, letting an animal suffer, beheading and skinning animals for fun...then we're not evolved at all. It would be an evolution to give the dentist the exact same penalty that he inflicted. And it would stop this type of thing going on next time.

But some people are too soft for that.

Hahaha eye-for-an-eye being argued as the evolved/civilized penalty.
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Jul 30, 2015, 19:56
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Jul 30, 2015, 19:56
 
Krowen wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 16:17:
blah...blah...blah...we can't murder everyone responsible unless you want to revert evolution entirely.

If being evolved means shooting, letting an animal suffer, beheading and skinning animals for fun...then we're not evolved at all. It would be an evolution to give the dentist the exact same penalty that he inflicted. And it would stop this type of thing going on next time.

But some people are too soft for that.
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Jul 30, 2015, 19:45
 
mag wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 12:00:
Tipsy McStagger wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 11:05:
Verno wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:51:
The EMDrive stuff is very interesting, it freaks me out to hear some of the smartest minds in the field admit it can work but that they can't explain how.

The thing that blows me fucking away about this drive, which I've been reading about for about a decade, is that no one wants to front the fucking money to actually test it in space. Point it at the moon and turn it on and if it works, then argue about how it can't possibly work. It took NASA over 15 years just to test it in their lab. It took the chinese to actually try it out first and then NASA to say "Ok maybe it works". I realize that it costs a metric fuck ton of money to send weight into space.. but I also know that we spend so little on space exploration technology.

There isn't even a scientific paper reporting test methodology and results, as far as I've been able to tell. All of the articles on it are from pseudoscience/crank blogs that just reference each other in a big circle jerk. They need to show something before anyone's going to dump a bunch of money into something that violates one of the fundamental laws of physics.

The last time they actually released any data on any of their tests: the thrust was in the wrong direction. It continued even when the power was turned off.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20140006052.pdf

It's not exactly a fully published one but they are testing it with thrust output.
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Blue wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:24:
Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:10:
I had an iguana for many years and it was very friendly. It came when I called it and would climb up onto my shoulder. It would also lay on my while I sat on the couch. They can be very good pets when raised properly.

Here's a lizard that's very friendly.

I don't blame Buddy. He belongs to a young man who was just a little kid when they got him, and afraid to pick him up, so Buddy never got used to being handled. If he was, I'm not sure he'd have let me pick him up, but I doubt he would have been so determined to bite me.

Oh, I wasn't implying that Buddy wasn't raised correctly or anything negative about what happened.

Even though he was very friendly, my iguana bit me plenty of times. He probably mistook my finger for food because I often fed him by hand.
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Julio wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:17:
My vote is for beheading and skinning, after having a crossbow bolt in him for 40 hours - just like he did to Cecil. Lots of signatures on that petition already.

It's great that you've completely lost sense of what separates us from the animals in the first place. If he broke the law then let him be tried and judged accordingly. I don't want vigilante justice nut cases like you running around enforcing the law based on your emotions. It's great that you looked at the news one day and discovered lions being killed is a problem, guess what this shit happens to many species every day, not to mention 599 other lions each year. You better have a deep well for that outrage because it's gonna be a long haul and we can't murder everyone responsible unless you want to revert evolution entirely.
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Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 15:10:
I had an iguana for many years and it was very friendly. It came when I called it and would climb up onto my shoulder. It would also lay on my while I sat on the couch. They can be very good pets when raised properly.

Here's a lizard that's very friendly.

I don't blame Buddy. He belongs to a young man who was just a little kid when they got him, and afraid to pick him up, so Buddy never got used to being handled. If he was, I'm not sure he'd have let me pick him up, but I doubt he would have been so determined to bite me.
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Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:27:
Hope they extradite that prick

My vote is for beheading and skinning, after having a crossbow bolt in him for 40 hours - just like he did to Cecil. Lots of signatures on that petition already.
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I had an iguana for many years and it was very friendly. It came when I called it and would climb up onto my shoulder. It would also lay on my while I sat on the couch. They can be very good pets when raised properly.

Here's a lizard that's very friendly.
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Cutter wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 10:27:
Hope they extradite that prick!

That lion killer is a real standup hunter. From the article:

Palmer in 2008 pleaded guilty to making false statements to U.S. wildlife officials about a black bear he had fatally shot in western Wisconsin.

From the other article:

Cecil had been closely studied by researchers at the University of Oxford since 2008 as part of efforts to study a decline in Africa’s lion population and to better understand the threats the animals face.

Well, I guess they learned what one of the main threats to a healthy lion population is.
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The Half Elf wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 13:10:

I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, but when the fucking government says 'Hey.. we have this mandatory evacuation thing going on, and you REALLY might want to get out' then I'm getting out. I don't care if I have to walk out.

Unless you don't trust the government and think it's all an evil plot to round up citizens into FEMA concentration camps for processing and extermination. A sizable amount of the population believe this, and higher than average in FL for sure.
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The Half Elf wrote on Jul 30, 2015, 13:10:
There were FREE options to get out of the city. Free options for housing, free medical for those who needed medical help to leave and get setup outside of New Orleans.

When we had 4 hurricanes in 5 weeks people were complaining about how expensive it was to leave Florida, especially people who had homes in the Keys. Homes average 500k and up. Orlando itself (where I lived for over 12 years) was typically the "go to" spot due to all the free housing during hurricanes.

I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, but when the fucking government says 'Hey.. we have this mandatory evacuation thing going on, and you REALLY might want to get out' then I'm getting out. I don't care if I have to walk out.

No there weren't. That was why it was such a clusterfuck and everyone was so pissed off. Bush was a useless tool as always and Jeff Brown and FEMA didn't even begin to show up until after the damage was done. Most of those people were on their own.

It's why there's a lot of credence to the theory that they let it happen to clear out all the poor black folk so the white developers could swoop in and buy up all that property for next to nothing - which is precisely what happened.
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