"Since taking office, President Obama has worked with Congress to secure appropriate reforms that balance the protection of civil liberties with the ability of national security professionals to secure information vital to keep Americans safe.

Bullshit.

"Since Edward Snowden released info that showed what a bunch of duplicitious pieces of shit we are in the government, President Obama has worked with Congress to secure appropriate reforms that balance the protection of civil liberties with the ability of national security professionals to secure information vital to keep Americans safe."

Instead of constructively addressing these issues

To WHOM? Before he made all this shit public, there was nowhere to actually GO with this kind of crap. There probably actually still isn't.

The balance between our security and the civil liberties that our ideals and our Constitution require deserves robust debate

Debate that is only possible now BECAUSE OF EDWARD SNOWDEN.

This is the kind of government stoolie that makes 400,000 dollars a year plus benefits for life off our tax money.

I'm glad I'm not alone here on Bluesnews.

jdreyer wrote on Jul 29, 2015, 01:56:

Cutter wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 20:17:

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

But Petraeus can get away with it? He did it for a blowjob, and Snowden did because he loved his country, and Snowden is the one condemned? Shows just who's really running America and has been for a long time now. If they can murder Kennedy and pardon Nixon everything else is child's play.

Hey, hey, hey. We put away Reagan for Iran-Contra and Cheney for torture, didn't we?

How dare you speak ill of the great Ronald Reagan! According to all the Facebook images people post, he was our greatest President and gosh darn, things were just fine when he was around.

Snowden should come home. Nelson Mandela spent 20 years in prison for what he believed in. I can't blame him though. Not everyone is made of that stuff....

Cutter wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 20:17:

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

But Petraeus can get away with it? He did it for a blowjob, and Snowden did because he loved his country, and Snowden is the one condemned? Shows just who's really running America and has been for a long time now. If they can murder Kennedy and pardon Nixon everything else is child's play.

Hey, hey, hey. We put away Reagan for Iran-Contra and Cheney for torture, didn't we?

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

The main problem is that there isn't an independent impartial whistleblower protection agency that people can go to. You can't do it within the department that you discover the malfeasance, since that triggers cover-ups and reprisals. You can't use the FBI, since they're an instrument of the status quo that will pursue the whistleblower over actually dealing with the issues reported. Snowden took the only path he could while still ensuring success, especially knowing the harassment, persecution, and career destruction whistleblowers that worked within the system (i.e. Thomas Drake and William Binney) went through.

If he felt his actions were consistent with civil disobedience, then he should do what those who have taken issue with their own government do: Challenge it, speak out, engage in a constructive act of protest, and -- importantly -- accept the consequences of his actions

The gall of this asshole... So what they're saying is, if you got a problem you should complain to your boss at the NSA so they can disappear you. Because there's no way in hell if he tried to go thru proper channels anything would have gotten done. We wouldn't know about it and they'd have just quietly swept him under the rug (probably literally).

The only way to stop this was to bring it to the public's attention. If the American people weren't so focused on the 24 hour news cycle and what Justin Bieber is, they'd be knocking down congress' door until we put a stop to this shit.

Anyone see John Oliver's interview with Snowden? Many people don't even remember who Snowden is anymore or what exactly he did? But mention the Kardassians or Bieber...

Cutter wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 20:17:

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

But Petraeus can get away with it? He did it for a blowjob, and Snowden did because he loved his country, and Snowden is the one condemned? Shows just who's really running America and has been for a long time now. If they can murder Kennedy and pardon Nixon everything else is child's play.

Wasn't really trying to compare one vs another, just on Snowden's sitch. Yes we are fully aware many things are fucked up. One is a general on the right side of the fence the other was an IT contractor on the wrong side. Did Pet. release as many docs as Snowden? I'm not up to speed on how much damage Pet let out of the hat.

Cutter wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 20:17:

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

But Petraeus can get away with it? He did it for a blowjob, and Snowden did because he loved his country, and Snowden is the one condemned? Shows just who's really running America and has been for a long time now. If they can murder Kennedy and pardon Nixon everything else is child's play.

^This

HorrorScope wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:38:
Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

But Petraeus can get away with it? He did it for a blowjob, and Snowden did because he loved his country, and Snowden is the one condemned? Shows just who's really running America and has been for a long time now. If they can murder Kennedy and pardon Nixon everything else is child's play.

Snowden can't realistically be pardoned, think of the floodgates it could open if he were? He's right in many ways and I'm sure several politico's even agree, but just cannot happen and it wouldn't happen anywhere.

Cutter wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:14:

Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:02:
What a disgrace this government is.

Jesus, can you believe that response? I wonder if she wrote with a straight face or was laughing the whole time. How far America has fallen.

It was written with all the facetious sincerity a government lackey can muster. While stroking the pen I picture her face looking as if she had the hot squirt cramps.

Snowden is a hero, nothing more-nothing less.

Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:02:
What a disgrace this government is.

Jesus, can you believe that response? I wonder if she wrote with a straight face or was laughing the whole time. How far America has fallen.

Frags4Fun wrote on Jul 28, 2015, 19:02:
What a disgrace this government is.

There was no chance Snowden was getting a pardon.

QFT

Quote:

The FCC said it could have fined AT&T much more, up to $16,000 per violation for millions of violations. But it chose $100 million to avoid "an astronomical figure" while making the fine big enough to deter future violations.

"Maybe next time the FCC will fine much much more because apparently it hasn't done much to deter AT&T so far."

What a disgrace this government is.