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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 13, 2015, 08:43
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ViRGE wrote on Jul 13, 2015, 08:27:
You're forgetting that people still need to buy new computers, new tablets, and new phones as their existing devices get outmoded. This is how Microsoft has made their money from consumers in the past, and it will continue to be so in the future. It's not like OEMs are getting free full install copies of Windows 10.

New phones maybe. Sadly I don't see a lot of people in this area replacing PCs anymore who aren't gamers. Laptops still seem to be selling although they're mostly Macs now. A friend of mine who is a Prof said its just a sea of Apple logos staring at him when he lectures.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 13, 2015, 08:27
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HorrorScope wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 20:34:
Frijoles wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 19:58:
Vio wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 19:40:
How exactly are they going to make money when everyone is on windows 10...

Businesses still have to pay a shitload for the upgrade and support.

That could be true, so in their hearts they are just going to have business pay everyone's way where in the past everyone paid their way? Why only have the business dollars when you could have home user dollars as well? I like the thought of that, not so sure that is what will happen.
You're forgetting that people still need to buy new computers, new tablets, and new phones as their existing devices get outmoded. This is how Microsoft has made their money from consumers in the past, and it will continue to be so in the future. It's not like OEMs are getting free full install copies of Windows 10.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 22:09
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Jul 12, 2015, 22:09
 
The Death of the PC Has Not Been Greatly Exaggerated.

No shit, Really?
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 20:34
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits Jul 12, 2015, 20:34
Jul 12, 2015, 20:34
 
Frijoles wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 19:58:
Vio wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 19:40:
How exactly are they going to make money when everyone is on windows 10...

Businesses still have to pay a shitload for the upgrade and support.

That could be true, so in their hearts they are just going to have business pay everyone's way where in the past everyone paid their way? Why only have the business dollars when you could have home user dollars as well? I like the thought of that, not so sure that is what will happen.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 20:30
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Jul 12, 2015, 20:30
 
DangerDog wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 17:47:
They keep talking about "Windows as a service" which sounds like they'll eventually charge a monthly fee to use it just like they have with xbox live.

This article is stating instead of a monthly it will be in the form of a 2-4 year charge cycle. The question would be will we be forced to upgrade or if not will the O/S shutdown?
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 20:29
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 17:44:
HorrorScope wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 14:47:
IMO the news is additional but still murky details leaking of how Win 10 works in terms of cost. They sell 1 billion a month in Windows Licensing today.

Life of device isn't the meaning most were thinking (life of my current pc), you will probably be forced to pay for Windows 10 upgrades every 2-4 years that is their definition of life of device. Long enough that those waiting on getting Win 10 for free (first year) still won't see the first paid upgrade cycle.

So yes, the upgrade from Win7/8 to Win 10 is free, aka the draw, the forced upgrades at cost, the catch.
Microsoft has stated that Windows 10 won't be moving to a subscription model, so there won't be charges for updates. The 2-4 year lifecycle relates to accounting and was misconstrued by a very biased reporter. It's also worth noting that support typically only lasts for 2-4 years. For instance, Windows 8 support ends in 2016 - four years after release - but Windows 8.1 extends that support until 2018. Windows 10 will receive a major free update next year in the form of Redstone.

The reason Microsoft is releasing Windows 10 for free is to get people using the Windows Store, as it receives a 30% cut of all sales. It also unifies the userbase, as Microsoft has a major issue getting XP users to upgrade and faced the same problem with Windows 7. They'll still charge for new licences and businesses will still have to pay the megabucks for support contracts.

You talk about bias reporting, where has support in past MS O/S's only been 2-4 years? When is Win 7 Support going away, I heard rumors of 2020? 8, 2023. Is there even an official word? How about Vista? Where are you coming up with 2-4 being the norm? That isn't close to 2-4 years, more like 10.

Them not coming out an clearly laying out their plan, we have to be cautious. They make 1 billion in revenue per month from the O/S, giving it away for free forever make no business sense. You mention the store at 30%, well I can see that causing cloudiness, perhaps if it is as successful as they hope, perhaps free Win10 forever is possible. However that isn't a certain, perhaps if it isn't the success they hope they have the 2-4 upgrade cost plan in the wings in case, because they need revenue from this O/S, that we all have to agree with, correct?

I'm all for believing you, but since they can't just be clear cut to the public, you have to show some skepticism. I can't say if this article is bias or not, they have info that I do not, unsure at this point either way.

EDIT: I've reviewed the slides, I do not know where the author of the article comes up with 2-4 years as device life, unless he believe he has insider info on that. I did not see reference to those in the slides.

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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 19:58
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Jul 12, 2015, 19:58
 
Vio wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 19:40:
How exactly are they going to make money when everyone is on windows 10...

Businesses still have to pay a shitload for the upgrade and support.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 19:41
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theyarecomingforyou wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 17:44:
Windows 10 will receive a major free update next year in the form of Redstone.


So Minecraft is the new version naming convention?
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 19:40
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Jul 12, 2015, 19:40
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How exactly are they going to make money when everyone is on windows 10...

Either they have to lock down all software installations to their store or they have to charge the same users again.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 18:38
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Jul 12, 2015, 18:38
 
DangerDog wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 17:47:
They keep talking about "Windows as a service" which sounds like they'll eventually charge a monthly fee to use it just like they have with xbox live.
WaaS is the development/release model, not the payment model. What it means is that rather than releasing new versions in a monolithic manner every 3-4 years, Windows will receive a constant stream of updates.

This works because what isn't changing is that people are still buying a new copy of Windows with every computer, so other than losing out on some marginal upgrade income, WaaS doesn't cost Microsoft anything (and it's a lot better than the alternative of losing tablets and phones entirely).
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 18:35
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Windows 10 is fucking weird, in some ways its better than older versions of Windows and in others its just a disaster. The user interface is fucking ridiculous, there are like 7 different themes doing battle and there is no consistency at all. I feel like I'm running a bad Winamp theme or something. Cortana is absolutely useless unless you're running a phone too, you can do everything faster by hand. The Start Menu sucks less than Windows 8, that's about what good I can say about it.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 17:47
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Jul 12, 2015, 17:47
 
They keep talking about "Windows as a service" which sounds like they'll eventually charge a monthly fee to use it just like they have with xbox live.

They're working with an entire generation of people growing up expecting to pay for things that shouldn't cost extra and will want to keep that ball rolling along.

They'll probably do "Windows Gold" and bundle in a bunch of cloud crap to make it seem like you're getting such a great deal.

The reason Microsoft is releasing Windows 10 for free is to get people using the Windows Store, as it receives a 30% cut of all sales. It also unifies the userbase, as Microsoft has a major issue getting XP users to upgrade and faced the same problem with Windows 7. They'll still charge for new licences and businesses will still have to pay the megabucks for support contracts.

I still think they'll alter the deal if they don't get enough people subscribing to their auxiliary cloud services, maybe they can supplant some of the lost revenue from data mining people with "cortana"
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 17:44
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Jul 12, 2015, 17:44
 
HorrorScope wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 14:47:
IMO the news is additional but still murky details leaking of how Win 10 works in terms of cost. They sell 1 billion a month in Windows Licensing today.

Life of device isn't the meaning most were thinking (life of my current pc), you will probably be forced to pay for Windows 10 upgrades every 2-4 years that is their definition of life of device. Long enough that those waiting on getting Win 10 for free (first year) still won't see the first paid upgrade cycle.

So yes, the upgrade from Win7/8 to Win 10 is free, aka the draw, the forced upgrades at cost, the catch.
Microsoft has stated that Windows 10 won't be moving to a subscription model, so there won't be charges for updates. The 2-4 year lifecycle relates to accounting and was misconstrued by a very biased reporter. It's also worth noting that support typically only lasts for 2-4 years. For instance, Windows 8 support ends in 2016 - four years after release - but Windows 8.1 extends that support until 2018. Windows 10 will receive a major free update next year in the form of Redstone.

The reason Microsoft is releasing Windows 10 for free is to get people using the Windows Store, as it receives a 30% cut of all sales. It also unifies the userbase, as Microsoft has a major issue getting XP users to upgrade and faced the same problem with Windows 7. They'll still charge for new licences and businesses will still have to pay the megabucks for support contracts.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 16:51
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Task wrote on Jul 12, 2015, 13:42:
Sort of off topic, but regarding the GTX 980's, I find it funny that they are still offering Arknam Knight for free with purchase even though its not available for PC at the moment...

Probably contractually obligated to.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 14:47
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Jul 12, 2015, 14:47
 
IMO the news is additional but still murky details leaking of how Win 10 works in terms of cost. They sell 1 billion a month in Windows Licensing today.

Life of device isn't the meaning most were thinking (life of my current pc), you will probably be forced to pay for Windows 10 upgrades every 2-4 years that is their definition of life of device. Long enough that those waiting on getting Win 10 for free (first year) still won't see the first paid upgrade cycle.

So yes, the upgrade from Win7/8 to Win 10 is free, aka the draw, the forced upgrades at cost, the catch.

The CFO promises Wall Street later this year, to make it crystal clear how this all works. They can't spell it out as is right now, or it would be the XBone announcement all over again and they know it.
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Re: Sunday Tech Bits
Jul 12, 2015, 14:23
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20$... that doesn't say much about the fury.
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Jul 12, 2015, 13:42
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Sort of off topic, but regarding the GTX 980's, I find it funny that they are still offering Arknam Knight for free with purchase even though its not available for PC at the moment...
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