pagb wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 12:29:
And D2... what's the point of doing Baal or Mephisto runs for hours? Rly?

You don't know? To get more gear to do Baal or Mephisto runs faster. Even doing a rift after rift is better than this.

Honestly, I play D3 every now and then, not enough to get me bored, but I also don't have time to play it more. For someone like me, all these little changes add enough variety to create and play a new character every season.

Grim Dawn cant be compared to either because there's no economy & server persistence.

Like torchlight, borderlands, etc, they're just singleplayer/coop loot balloon games.

jacobvandy wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 18:56:
Act 3 was just released, and they're looking at Act 4 coming with the full release before the end of the year... It's taken longer than they anticipated, sure, but the scope of the game has also about tripled compared to what they pitched in the Kickstarter. Five years isn't bad at all when the first half of that was only a handful of ex-Titan Quest devs working in their spare time, dwindling down to the one main guy before finally getting the funds they needed to make it happen. It's already a very good game, and has been since it was made available through Early Access.

I know, Grim Dawn is one of my few Kickstarters, and I've played the alpha/beta(?) a bit every now and then to see where it's at. I'm holding off now until the 'release,' and of course it's not fair to compare Grim Dawn to Diablo 3 or even PoE because of their staffing.

MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 18:06:
Hopefully Grim Dawn ends up being great when it's finally finished in 2020 or so. :o

Act 3 was just released, and they're looking at Act 4 coming with the full release before the end of the year... It's taken longer than they anticipated, sure, but the scope of the game has also about tripled compared to what they pitched in the Kickstarter. Five years isn't bad at all when the first half of that was only a handful of ex-Titan Quest devs working in their spare time, dwindling down to the one main guy before finally getting the funds they needed to make it happen. It's already a very good game, and has been since it was made available through Early Access.

No game is going to last forever; I've definitely got my money's worth from D3, and I think I've passed the point where I've played more D3 than vanilla D2. Definitely far more than Diablo 1.

I'll probably play some more D3 for awhile after 2.3.0 hits, then stop and go back to clearing out the gog/steam backlog when I get bored. Six hours of played time(to finish) Wolfenstein the old Blood, eh Steam? You got me this time!

PoE for whatever reason didn't even last as long for me, although I did level up like 10 characters in that game.(all shoddily built, no doubt, but fun builds to me.) PoE's problem is the actual fight mechanics just aren't as good as Diablo 3's.

Hopefully Grim Dawn ends up being great when it's finally finished in 2020 or so.

Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 13:20:

pagb wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 12:29:

Axis wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 11:47:
PoE/D2 you can play for years on end and never get bored.

False, bored to death with both of them also.

PoE is the same story as D3, new patch additions lure you in, level up a toon just to ditch him upon reaching high end because it's the same all over again.

And D2... what's the point of doing Baal or Mephisto runs for hours? Rly?

Except that PoE at least gives you a million different ways to build a character. So many very different skills and combinations, as well as Vaal skills and much better crafting system. With upcoming 2.0 release, we also get jewels, divination cards, more new skills, new monsters, and new play mechanics each season, on top of an entire new act for the game. I sometimes get bored with a character, but I keep coming back to try something new.

This has also been my experience, the sheer depth of PoE puts it in a class of its own among ARPG's with only D2 able to match up (and D2 its more then 10 years old)

Haven't played D3 since I realized that you weren't building a character because they could use every skill. Utterly bored after about two solid days of playing. I vastly enjoyed D2 more than D3.

pagb wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 12:29:

Axis wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 11:47:
PoE/D2 you can play for years on end and never get bored.

False, bored to death with both of them also.

PoE is the same story as D3, new patch additions lure you in, level up a toon just to ditch him upon reaching high end because it's the same all over again.

And D2... what's the point of doing Baal or Mephisto runs for hours? Rly?

Except that PoE at least gives you a million different ways to build a character. So many very different skills and combinations, as well as Vaal skills and much better crafting system. With upcoming 2.0 release, we also get jewels, divination cards, more new skills, new monsters, and new play mechanics each season, on top of an entire new act for the game. I sometimes get bored with a character, but I keep coming back to try something new.

Axis wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 11:47:
PoE/D2 you can play for years on end and never get bored.

False, bored to death with both of them also.

PoE is the same story as D3, new patch additions lure you in, level up a toon just to ditch him upon reaching high end because it's the same all over again.

And D2... what's the point of doing Baal or Mephisto runs for hours? Rly?

looking forward to some more content etc. I have had the itch to play but I think I will hold back and work on my backlog until there is something new to do.

Verno wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 12:00:
I like what the new director has been doing with D3, some missteps but mostly positive stuff. Big improvement from the Wilson days. It's a much better game now than it was at release and can't argue with the value proposition or support.

It's a lot of fun on the console with local co-op.

Xero wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 10:39:

Malachii wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 10:15:
Same. I play a ton and then realize there's no real point. Need another xpac with higher level cap imo. Each time they tease with this new content I get excited, but realize it's just a carrot.

This does sound like a great patch though. Man, if you didn't play it at all and started the game fresh now, the bang for your buck would be fantastic.

Also gotta hand it to Blizz, putting the kind of support into this that we only dream other titles had. The initial purchase and xpac has been a heck of a value.

My same feelings. You are just progressing thru whatever new content they dumped with the patch and once you either get bored of it or to the end of it, your back to either wanting more or wondering what was the point.
I suppose I get this feeling with most ARPG's though. The only fix I think would really help me get the drive again is an entirely new expansion with new class and act. I think most are burnt out of what's available now.

Yep exactly, I get this with every game. I'll revisit it when theres an expansion and enjoy the wealth of added content that was patched during the interim. These days I don't want a game I'm going to play infinitely anyway, too much stuff on the market and not enough time in the day.

I like what the new director has been doing with D3, some missteps but mostly positive stuff. Big improvement from the Wilson days. It's a much better game now than it was at release and can't argue with the value proposition or support.

nin wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 09:02:
How about another expansion, or more content? Every time a major patch comes out, I play for about a week, and then get bored again.

That's because the game is crap. Longevity and keeping you coming back is the ONLY benchmark for ARPG loot balloons - production value lasts for 1 playthrough. If it's fun, has interesting and deep mechanics, you'll keep playing. May be news to you blizz fannies, but it's not like we didn't warn you.

PoE/D2 you can play for years on end and never get bored.

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If I recall correctly all Diablo 3 announcements came from the trade show in Germany. If they don't do it there than they'll do it at Blizzcon.
Nevalistis told me at last year's Blizzcon that they know the demand for another expansion is there. I had told her that I was disappointed that they didn't announce one then but her and one of the other community girls looked at me funny and said "But we JUST released ROS!"

Torment X... o_O

Malachii wrote on Jun 24, 2015, 10:15:
Same. I play a ton and then realize there's no real point. Need another xpac with higher level cap imo. Each time they tease with this new content I get excited, but realize it's just a carrot.

This does sound like a great patch though. Man, if you didn't play it at all and started the game fresh now, the bang for your buck would be fantastic.

Also gotta hand it to Blizz, putting the kind of support into this that we only dream other titles had. The initial purchase and xpac has been a heck of a value.

My same feelings. You are just progressing thru whatever new content they dumped with the patch and once you either get bored of it or to the end of it, your back to either wanting more or wondering what was the point.
I suppose I get this feeling with most ARPG's though. The only fix I think would really help me get the drive again is an entirely new expansion with new class and act. I think most are burnt out of what's available now.

Same. I play a ton and then realize there's no real point. Need another xpac with higher level cap imo. Each time they tease with this new content I get excited, but realize it's just a carrot.

This does sound like a great patch though. Man, if you didn't play it at all and started the game fresh now, the bang for your buck would be fantastic.

Also gotta hand it to Blizz, putting the kind of support into this that we only dream other titles had. The initial purchase and xpac has been a heck of a value.

new stuff better than nothing though. Lets see how the breaking down legendaries for buffs works, there are some nice legendary effects out there - RRoG for one.

Could do with more stash space though.

How about another expansion, or more content? Every time a major patch comes out, I play for about a week, and then get bored again.