How could this have failed? Perhaps it's just a subconscious nod to the devs true calling: House Keeping

Slick wrote on Jun 22, 2015, 02:25:

Kosumo wrote on Jun 22, 2015, 01:03:
Leave harlock and his meds out of it, I'm happy I'm helping both him and me by buying them off him for cheap.

P.S. I think Slick really hates what in his mind is most of use Blue's users (a sterotype), he does seem to be arguing with 'you people' which I don't think anyone else knows who it is.

alright, i'm just going to stop repeating myself. if you can't see any logic in my arguments, then leave it alone.

if you can't understand me saying "you people" then you haven't been paying attention. i'm talking to everyone in this thread who's poopoo-ed this developer for A) not being "AAA" mainstream enough, and B) for pre-judging a game that literally no one here has played. and C) for pissing on the wounds of some people who have just lost everything. if you can't understand that, then you like everyone else in this thread are totally immune to irony.

remember this thread next time you see a headline that reads: "blizzard reduces upcoming game to 4 classes to be more user-friendly" and ALL YOU PEOPLE go bananas about it, clamoring for more fringe titles that aren't afraid to "take creative chances" LOL

You have to have something in order to lose it. Having a dream and realizing after a long time that that dream doesn't match reality is not quite the same. This developer has found after much effort that the market they are currently aiming at just isn't big enough. Sucks that they spent a lot in following this path, but now that they have woken up, perhaps they can find their true path - either the individuals who mistakenly believed in this dream, or the collective as a whole.

I'm all for taking creative chances, and I actually really love all of the groups experimenting with interactive experiences to go beyond just games. I think some great innovations for real games may come out of experiments like these. But it's called a risk for a reason. You have to know that the risk may not pay off. I hope they learn the right lessons from their failures.

Slick wrote on Jun 22, 2015, 00:43:

again, i'm not saying that the product is good or bad, i'm saying your reasons for hating it don't add up. it's worth as a game isn't based on how many mainstream tropes and mechanics it uses. how am i even having this argument?! you people (you people?!) constantly attack games for doing the exact opposite!

care to actually address my argument with my cute little "you people" line? or instead just get offended that i used such bad language.

look at the "bad language" and personal attacks that have been hurled at me in this thread alone. but you'll get up in arms me saying you people. and not the rational logical argument i make about double-standards people in this thread are exhibiting.

Kosumo wrote on Jun 22, 2015, 01:03:
Leave harlock and his meds out of it, I'm happy I'm helping both him and me by buying them off him for cheap.

P.S. I think Slick really hates what in his mind is most of use Blue's users (a sterotype), he does seem to be arguing with 'you people' which I don't think anyone else knows who it is.

alright, i'm just going to stop repeating myself. if you can't see any logic in my arguments, then leave it alone.

if you can't understand me saying "you people" then you haven't been paying attention. i'm talking to everyone in this thread who's poopoo-ed this developer for A) not being "AAA" mainstream enough, and B) for pre-judging a game that literally no one here has played. and C) for pissing on the wounds of some people who have just lost everything. if you can't understand that, then you like everyone else in this thread are totally immune to irony.

remember this thread next time you see a headline that reads: "blizzard reduces upcoming game to 4 classes to be more user-friendly" and ALL YOU PEOPLE go bananas about it, clamoring for more fringe titles that aren't afraid to "take creative chances" LOL

Leave harlock and his meds out of it, I'm happy I'm helping both him and me by buying them off him for cheap.

P.S. I think Slick really hates what in his mind is most of use Blue's users (a sterotype), he does seem to be arguing with 'you people' which I don't think anyone else knows who it is.

oh, so you've played it? oh you havent? no way!

i remember this one time i didn't see a movie, but i saw the trailer, and then i knew...

IT WAS BAD

sin #1) judging book by it's cover.

I've played a few artsy games which didn't have any real "gameplay" but I really enjoyed them for what they were.

sin #2) knocking a studio for making a game that's fringe, while simultaneously hating on AAA studios who make middle-of-the-road, "lowest common denominator" experiences.

again, i'm not saying that the product is good or bad, i'm saying your reasons for hating it don't add up. it's worth as a game isn't based on how many mainstream tropes and mechanics it uses. how am i even having this argument?! you people (you people?!) constantly attack games for doing the exact opposite!

If i don't like a movie's genre, that's fine, I probably won't watch it. but to claim that it's obviously a lame movie with subpar plot mechanics (without actually watching it) while ridiculing the stupid devs for making something that's so fringe, and who are depressed about going bankrupt is just pathetic.

currently scoring 75 on metacritic

and just ignore harlock fletch, he obviously hasn't taken his meds.

Jerykk wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 22:27:

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 22:07:

Jerykk wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 21:05:

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 20:32:

Krovven wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 16:16:
if you had turned it into an RPG, it would have done much better.

yeah, they should have added character progression, weapon unlocks, a dash of DLC and a smattering of pavlovian-response gaming mechanics would have made this a blockbuster hit.

lol, i'm only half joking, you gotta admit that it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes.

then every other thread is getting mad at games that only try to fit in with current gaming tropes. it's lose-lose.

and has one of you PLAYED this fucking game? no. but apparently you're all experts on how much it sucks, and how they deserved to fail. from what I've read this game got GOOD reviews from the press, no? how heartless are you fucks?

Nobody's criticizing the game itself. We're criticizing the developer's rant about the game's failure. It makes them sound like they feel entitled to success. Other developers have made similar rants when their games failed and all were met with equal criticism. Tale of Tales made a game that appeals to a very small audience and it sold as any reasonable person would expect it to.

if you read what you just quoted me saying, i was pretty clear:

"it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes"

The ire has been almost exclusively towards it being an obviously bad game. Then they get good reviews, sell nothing, go bankrupt, and are sad about it. People are saying that it deserved to fail because it's bad, therefore being sad about going bankrupt is "over the line" and worthy of ridicule.

Almost every post is saying how they're too "hipster", or they're too "niche" in their game design, etc etc. you don't see the irony in this? how many times have you read the words "it's shit, they just cater to the lowest common denominator" on this forum... in the last week?

Now this title gets lampooned for doing exactly the opposite. I swear some of you need to start your own game development studios, as you obviously know exactly what the perfect game is, and apparently no one else "gets it".

Has anyone here (aside from Tipsy McStagger who posted his comment while I was writing this) actually called it a bad game? People have said that the premise doesn't appeal to them but that's not the same as calling it a bad game. I have no interest in truck sims but the Euro Truck Simulator series is apparently good if you like the genre. Sunset might be a fantastic game but it doesn't really matter if nobody likes the premise.

Playing as a housekeeper during a civil war in the 70's holds limited appeal. The sales of the game prove as much. There's nothing wrong with making a game with limited appeal but if you're going to do that, you shouldn't expect great sales. Tale of Tales apparently expected great sales and when they didn't get that, they shut down and wrote an angry rant. That's what people are criticizing.

Games like CoD and AC are criticized for lack of innovation because they get pumped out on an annual basis with superficial changes and no real resolution of each series' fundamental flaws. The key difference between that and Sunset is that critics find the basic premise of CoD and AC appealing. They just don't find the gameplay appealing. Apparently very few people find the premise of Sunset appealing so the gameplay is irrelevant.

I'll go ahead an say it is a bad game and that is a huge part of the problem. It is a very simple adventure game. The gameplay consists entirely of clicking on things and hearing a monologue or seeing some text pop up. There is basically no gameplay. Gameplay videos pretty clearly show it doesn't hold people's attention between the story nuggets. You just kind of walk around a room and click on things, but nothing really happens.

A few quick game play videos show there is little of interest or value. Certainly not enough to justify a $20 price tag.

Fletch wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 23:45:

harlock wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 17:23:
basically, these guys thought they were genius (like most "artists")... nobody gives a shit, and suddenly they dont feel like genius anymore - and thus, "WAAAAAHH!" but in this very particular way

stereotypical artist response, really... they should move into the fine art world, where you can easily sell complete bullshit for 100K+

It must be really miserable to be you.

dont worry, im sure its nothing nearly as horrible as your life

I've never heard of this game or the developer, and I frequent quite a few websites. I also read a variation of monthly gaming magazines, and I can't recall ever hearing about this title. In all honesty though, after watching the trailer on Steam, it wouldn't have interested me anyhow. It's a shame that the developer gave up on making more games, because it looks like they had a nice aesthetic to Sunset. I think their mistake was that they tried too hard, by paying for marketing before any revenue generated. Just my two-cents.

I see that you play the role of a housekeeper and you do chores. Not the kind of fantasy I want to escape too. Not sure what goes on after that but that was enough to make me loose all interest.

harlock wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 17:23:
basically, these guys thought they were genius (like most "artists")... nobody gives a shit, and suddenly they dont feel like genius anymore - and thus, "WAAAAAHH!" but in this very particular way

stereotypical artist response, really... they should move into the fine art world, where you can easily sell complete bullshit for 100K+

It must be really miserable to be you.

Never heard of the developer, or their game. Sounds like they had huge aspirations, and had no idea how to live up to their aspirations. Based on comments I see here, it does sound like some people at least had heard of their game .. and that they might've been living in the same reality distortion field that Mitt Romney's team lived in.

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 22:07:

Jerykk wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 21:05:

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 20:32:

Krovven wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 16:16:
if you had turned it into an RPG, it would have done much better.

yeah, they should have added character progression, weapon unlocks, a dash of DLC and a smattering of pavlovian-response gaming mechanics would have made this a blockbuster hit.

lol, i'm only half joking, you gotta admit that it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes.

then every other thread is getting mad at games that only try to fit in with current gaming tropes. it's lose-lose.

and has one of you PLAYED this fucking game? no. but apparently you're all experts on how much it sucks, and how they deserved to fail. from what I've read this game got GOOD reviews from the press, no? how heartless are you fucks?

Nobody's criticizing the game itself. We're criticizing the developer's rant about the game's failure. It makes them sound like they feel entitled to success. Other developers have made similar rants when their games failed and all were met with equal criticism. Tale of Tales made a game that appeals to a very small audience and it sold as any reasonable person would expect it to.

if you read what you just quoted me saying, i was pretty clear:

"it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes"

The ire has been almost exclusively towards it being an obviously bad game. Then they get good reviews, sell nothing, go bankrupt, and are sad about it. People are saying that it deserved to fail because it's bad, therefore being sad about going bankrupt is "over the line" and worthy of ridicule.

Almost every post is saying how they're too "hipster", or they're too "niche" in their game design, etc etc. you don't see the irony in this? how many times have you read the words "it's shit, they just cater to the lowest common denominator" on this forum... in the last week?

Now this title gets lampooned for doing exactly the opposite. I swear some of you need to start your own game development studios, as you obviously know exactly what the perfect game is, and apparently no one else "gets it".

Has anyone here (aside from Tipsy McStagger who posted his comment while I was writing this) actually called it a bad game? People have said that the premise doesn't appeal to them but that's not the same as calling it a bad game. I have no interest in truck sims but the Euro Truck Simulator series is apparently good if you like the genre. Sunset might be a fantastic game but it doesn't really matter if nobody likes the premise.

Playing as a housekeeper during a civil war in the 70's holds limited appeal. The sales of the game prove as much. There's nothing wrong with making a game with limited appeal but if you're going to do that, you shouldn't expect great sales. Tale of Tales apparently expected great sales and when they didn't get that, they shut down and wrote an angry rant. That's what people are criticizing.

Games like CoD and AC are criticized for lack of innovation because they get pumped out on an annual basis with superficial changes and no real resolution of each series' fundamental flaws. The key difference between that and Sunset is that critics find the basic premise of CoD and AC appealing. They just don't find the gameplay appealing. Apparently very few people find the premise of Sunset appealing so the gameplay is irrelevant.

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 22:01:
oh nevermind, apparently IGN actually played the game, which gives them a leg up so far on every single person giving armchair appraisals on here. they gave it an 8.0

IGN also pisses itself for the latest COD big dev clone so I wouldn't trust them to review anything.

So the winners were the following:

The PR Company,
Steam,
Rock, Paper, Shotgun.

The losers were the following:
Tale of Tales,
Anyone who purchased the game.

I watched a few of the Let's play video and I gotta say. The game looks like a boring mess. Character depth is missing and interaction seems kinda poor with this "Blue/Red" decision buttons.


Ever played those TellTale Games? Those Walking Dead/ Game of Thrones.. Those ones are basically THIS game but way better done. I feel like this was just a horrible version of those games.

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 21:57:
No i didn't play it, but I also didn't judge it as obviously being a lame title (from a trailer alone?! what is this, IGN?) that had no appeal to gamers because it wasn't mainstream enough.

Yeah but would you have simply bought it based on what they presented? Because it sounds like most people didn't. And if that's the case, where does the fault lie?

If you're a game developer, it's your job to make other people want to buy your product. If they don't buy it, who's ultimately responsible?

It's just odd that we're A) talking about a game that so far no one on this thread has played. and B) shaming them for "being too niche" when every other thread on blues is devoted solely for bashing games that take a too populist approach.

or, in the words of the great harlock - "gaba gaba mmmph harum pbbbbbbbpf"

It's not odd at all. First of all, you'd have to be pretty dumb to really think that people wanting to see new things in gaming means 'throw out everything and replace it with something else entirely'. Most of the time, people want just enough innovation and advancement to make familiar game types feel interesting and like they have something new to discover.

Sure, sometimes someone will come along and make a Dear Esther or something like that. But how often does that actually happen?

Secondly, and again, it may not be a bad game at all. It didn't, however, make people want to buy it even with the good reviews. What does that tell you?

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Jerykk wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 21:05:

Slick wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 20:32:

Krovven wrote on Jun 21, 2015, 16:16:
if you had turned it into an RPG, it would have done much better.

yeah, they should have added character progression, weapon unlocks, a dash of DLC and a smattering of pavlovian-response gaming mechanics would have made this a blockbuster hit.

lol, i'm only half joking, you gotta admit that it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes.

then every other thread is getting mad at games that only try to fit in with current gaming tropes. it's lose-lose.

and has one of you PLAYED this fucking game? no. but apparently you're all experts on how much it sucks, and how they deserved to fail. from what I've read this game got GOOD reviews from the press, no? how heartless are you fucks?

Nobody's criticizing the game itself. We're criticizing the developer's rant about the game's failure. It makes them sound like they feel entitled to success. Other developers have made similar rants when their games failed and all were met with equal criticism. Tale of Tales made a game that appeals to a very small audience and it sold as any reasonable person would expect it to.

if you read what you just quoted me saying, i was pretty clear:

"it's pretty funny reading this thread that are all being mostly negative towards these devs for making something that doesn't "fit in" with current gaming tropes"

The ire has been almost exclusively towards it being an obviously bad game. Then they get good reviews, sell nothing, go bankrupt, and are sad about it. People are saying that it deserved to fail because it's bad, therefore being sad about going bankrupt is "over the line" and worthy of ridicule.

Almost every post is saying how they're too "hipster", or they're too "niche" in their game design, etc etc. you don't see the irony in this? how many times have you read the words "it's shit, they just cater to the lowest common denominator" on this forum... in the last week?

Now this title gets lampooned for doing exactly the opposite. I swear some of you need to start your own game development studios, as you obviously know exactly what the perfect game is, and apparently no one else "gets it".

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oh nevermind, apparently IGN actually played the game, which gives them a leg up so far on every single person giving armchair appraisals on here. they gave it an 8.0