eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 9, 2015, 03:20:
While I sorta agree, that is neither their goal (license fees -> MS) nor is it an issue for you, I mean you could always just.. install Windows on it ;p Chances are that if you pick one from a builder that puts desktop parts in and nothing custom you can easily run Windows 10 on it.

Yeah I'm not sure why people are rushing to crap on something that is just a PC with a different interface, its obvious several people here literally don't understand what the platform even is. People have been building similar PCs on their own for years already and there are a myriad of options available in terms of form factor, customization and power. You can buy a $1500 Steam box that is as powerful as a desktop rig or you could buy a $400 box for the Peggle type gamer. I doubt Valve cares how much you spent so long as you're buying games.

Install Windows, install some bastardized version of Mac OS X, whatever, its just a PC.

Cutter wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 16:38:

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:55:
I think there's another demographic you're ignoring, people who are older now, work at a computer all day and want to play the occasional game on a couch

Of course there's an argument to be made that Valve is competing with itself in that regard since you could just pickup a Steam Link but that assumes you have a Host PC.

Yeah, so you run a $5 HDMI cable to your TV from your vid card. No $500 gimped console required.

This is what I did, purchased a 360 controller as well (demon souls 2) but find myself using my keyboard mouse all the time.

Yet my rig is 2200$ so I can see some peoples argument for the 400$ gimp box.

DangerDog wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 16:25:
Die hard console gamers wont touch it with a ten foot pole

I've been pretty much a console-only gamer since, hmmmm, when did GTA3 come out? That's when I bought a PS2... Then, when GTA4 came out, I bought an Xbox360... When these were anounced the other day, I preordered one... Will I regret it when GTA6 comes out and isn't available on it? Maybe, or maybe I'll just have to buy another console to use alongside it... I see it more as buying a new gaming PC rig, but one I can play comfortably on my TV with a console-like controller... I don't really want to upgrade my workstation, and it needs to run old CentOS for work, so it won't be able to play many games anyway... Having a new machine dedicated to just gaming, for use in front the TV, but with all the benefits of PC gaming (access to mods and levels and whatnot) sounds like pure heaven to me! And, yeah, being a Linux nut, I love that they're pushing Linux support in games now too, and I definitely want to support that... They've got my money for sure!

if someone doesn't attempt to mix things up (valve and nvidia are now) we'll be stuck with windows forever

of course it's not great now. neither was the first of anything

NKD wrote on Jun 9, 2015, 02:37:
Steam Machine would be slightly more tolerable if it ran Windows.

While I sorta agree, that is neither their goal (license fees -> MS) nor is it an issue for you, I mean you could always just.. install Windows on it ;p Chances are that if you pick one from a builder that puts desktop parts in and nothing custom you can easily run Windows 10 on it.

For me only steam link is relevant though... and I will never buy hardware until it's been out for a few months and the issues are ironed out. Steam doesn't strike me as a proficient hardware manufacturer...

Steam Machine would be slightly more tolerable if it ran Windows.

Let's turn pc gaming into console gaming. Let's bring everything we hate about console gaming to the pc.... and not even run dx12. Great idea!

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:49:
Backwards compatibility is generally better on the PC,

IMO it is superior, however it is true there are somethings from history that you can't play. But it is easily as good as it gets, not that you are arguing this, but to whatever putz would.

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 14:12:
The problem with SteamOS is more that yeah it can play a bunch of things but you can also just use Steam with Windows and play everything. It's intended for the living room market where Windows as a UI doesn't make a lot of sense. Valve is seeing a lot of potential markets so they're throwing stuff at the wall hoping something will stick, they have a pretty good track record at doing so.

Agreed, but they could have made their own OEM Windows version of steam and have it so perhaps you can get to the rest of windows still, but have it boot up to the Steam Big Picture Interface in full. But right, why have a limited linux version when you can have platform that has everything?

Don't buy a Steam Machine

Don't worry never gonna happen

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Baristan wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 16:58:
After reading Microsoft's new privacy statement. I really wish Linux gaming would take off.

...for example, we supplement the data we collect by purchasing demographic data from other companies.
...Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)...

And by using any Microsoft product(including windows) you agree to the new TOS.

You can opt out by not using the cloud services or turn them off (cortana), I'm using Windows 8 just fine without an MS account.

If Linux gaming took off you would still have services monitoring your usage habits. Sadly the SteamOS initiative isn't really about propping up the Linux desktop as a way forward for PC gaming.

After reading Microsoft's new privacy statement. I really wish Linux gaming would take off.

...for example, we supplement the data we collect by purchasing demographic data from other companies.
...Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)...

And by using any Microsoft product(including windows) you agree to the new TOS.

harlock wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 16:46:

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:49:
I feel like I'm watching an old Smashing Pumpkins video from the 90s, so much unnecessary angst.

thats your go-to reference for angst? man, thats sad... (culturally)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAvFx3NxUM

There's some real angst to satisfy you my friend

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:49:
I feel like I'm watching an old Smashing Pumpkins video from the 90s, so much unnecessary angst.

thats your go-to reference for angst? man, thats sad... (culturally)

Cutter wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 16:38:
Yeah, so you run a $5 HDMI cable to your TV from your vid card. No $500 gimped console required.

Do you mean the Steam Boxes or are you referring to a console specifically? The Steam Boxes are just PCs running SteamOS, many are powerful, upgradable, etc. They are just a PC running a different OS which you can change if you like, they are not closed platforms like consoles. You can customize it however you want. Many people don't have a TV within reach of the PC either or might not own a desktop gaming PC anymore. I've personally just run a long HDMI cable through the conduits in my house but many people don't have that option. That's why there are home streaming devices for games such as the Nvidia Shield, Steam Link, etc.

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Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:49:
I feel like I'm watching an old Smashing Pumpkins video from the 90s, so much unnecessary angst.

Is today the greatest day you've ever known?

Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:55:
I think there's another demographic you're ignoring, people who are older now, work at a computer all day and want to play the occasional game on a couch

Of course there's an argument to be made that Valve is competing with itself in that regard since you could just pickup a Steam Link but that assumes you have a Host PC.

Yeah, so you run a $5 HDMI cable to your TV from your vid card. No $500 gimped console required.

Krovven wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:35:
Pot meet kettle.

No shit sherlock, that's what I said. It's the tail end of the generation. That's just flat out 100% incorrect. A lie to support your argument, one which I agree with, but you make stupid fucking statements that negate yourself.

'i agree with you but im nit picking because i dont like you'. This sort of limp, time wasting crap is why you're universally reviled here. Nothing he said is incorrect and you could not possibly stretch more trying to find something to argue about. 'you said no new games are coming but just dance 8 is coming next year, you LIED!!'. You know exactly what he meant. Yeah sure I'll just go buy an old ps2 on ebay to play 2 games that i could instead just double click on a windows pc, that is comparable. With a straight fucking face that shit was posted, I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. The op ed blows and his argument on why it sucks is just fine, the bottom line is that you're just petty because you don't like descender.

For Steamos itself I can't say I'm interested too much unless MS starts screwing around with compatibility, that won't happen due to the enterprise market.

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Verno wrote on Jun 8, 2015, 15:55:
Of course there's an argument to be made that Valve is competing with itself in that regard since you could just pickup a Steam Link but that assumes you have a Host PC.

So does the Steam Machine given it's limited library selection, but this is being marketed as a stand on its own platform just like xbox or a playstation and in that market demographic people go for what all their other friends have and or exclusive games.

Die hard console gamers wont touch it with a ten foot pole - does it run Call of Duty? Nope. And even if it did you would be cast into the same pool with other people playing with a mouse and keyboard (not to mention all the cheating).

I can only sympathize with Valve so much for being deathly afraid of losing the desktop market to Microsofts Store - which is completely unfounded because the MS store is a huge, massive joke.

Console gaming is the lowest common denominator when it comes to gaming because everything has to be simplified to work on a console controller - mainly. If this thing actually achieved market penetration you wouldn't have games like Arma (yes before anyone points it out I know that they did a version for the Xbox way back when, it did a belly flop too) and good luck getting any game developer to make a custom UI just for the PC, kiss your FOV slider goodbye along with just about every other PC creature feature.

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