Out of the Blue

Well the dragnet may not be upon us yet, but I think the Gunnar-man and I are outlaws. We were walking yesterday, and I will admit he was off the leash. Somewhere along the way over the winter I learned he had become quite reliable that way, and I often let him roam free, as he rarely gets more than six feet from me anyway. This hasn't been a problem before now, but yesterday someone started yelling at me about how I was running afoul of the local leash law, which indeed I was, though as I say, he was right with me. The thing is Gunnar would have been off the leash in that spot anyway, because I let him look for his girlfriend Elvis in her backyard. Anyway, being in the wrong, I have always planned on deferring to anyone who objected, but this guy was across the street nowhere near us, and he started the conversation by saying "You're a real smartass," which got things off on the wrong foot, to say the least, and I reacted with anger. This all ended with him taking photos of us to report us to the police, and the two of us hurling f-bombs at each other in very loud voices on a very quiet street. Not my proudest moment, but at least it gave me a weird story to share. I don't even think he lives in the area, but I wonder what will happen if we run into each other again.

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Jun 3, 2015, 14:51
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Blue wrote on Jun 3, 2015, 07:03:
Julio wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 20:45:
BobBob wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 13:16:
Shelf the hurt ego and whining and put the dog on a leash.

I'm with Bob on this one. Off your property, use a leash or go to a designated leash free dog park. Too many dog owners think it's great to have their dog plow over little kids and shit on people's lawns.

Any other suggestions from you and BobBob on how to not get on people's wrong sides?

I already copped to being in the wrong.

Despite my “Internet Persona”, the person I am in real life is probably quite different. When it comes to dealing with people outside my own home I have a few basic principles or habits. I've developed these from fairly bad real life experiences.

Treat everyone as if they deserve a high amount of respect. Examples: Always smile and wave, open doors for ladies, and listen to men and women who think they are right, even if you disagree with them. I rarely ever say anything negative about a person or the surroundings to that person or to other strangers. Most people will would probably say I'm a nice person,

Never share personal information. I'll bet if you sat in a room of my acquaintances (neighbors, business partners, utility workers, customer service reps from grocery stores, parks, etc.), they might remember my first name (possibly last name), have a vague idea of where I live. They will simply say he's very polite and a good listener.

Live in a constant state of empathy. If you believe you might be both in the right, give the other person the right of way. Unless it's going to have an adverse affect on your life, money, or personal health or safety, there is no point in fighting for that parking space, right to turn, last piece of cake, etc. Constantly ask yourself, if I was my neighbor or that stranger, would I be annoyed with my behavior?

Always follow the laws and rules (mores) — no matter how stupid they seem to you. There are two reasons for this. The first is because most of the time the law was created to make people behave cooperatively in an uncertain environment. This goes for most rules and laws —- especially traffic safety or matters of conduct in the public space. The second is because if you follow the law, and there is a legal confrontation, you will always be in the right in a court of law. There is a third matter, if you believe the law is stupid, then advocate, write, or represent yourself and others at city council meetings or wherever the laws are written. Get involved in the civil process if you believe something is wrong. You might be surprised how many others feel the sameway and are simply waiting for someone with a strong enough voice to represent them.

Rarely argue with strangers, especially if it doesn't 'really' matter and will not make the other person happy. It's one thing to have an anonymous discussion out of principle, but it's never wise to get into a dispute with a stranger. The person might be crazy, carry a gun, follow you home, spread 'believable' gossip, or who knows what else. There is always someone crazier than you are. If the person becomes a nuisance never hesitate to call the police, but also never confront the person yourself —- unless it's a life or death situation —- or defending another human being in such a situation. There is no shame in calling the police no matter how petty you may consider the problem. They are being paid to intervene and protect you from crazies. It's your tax dollars at work.

So that's my philosophy on public living. I don't know if I addressed your question.

As to your current situation, since you never know if that guy is around, I suggest carrying a cell phone and be ready to record any confrontation. If he tries anything, hurry back home (or to a neighbor's house or a safe location) and call the police. If you believe he's still around, and might be a threat, take someone else with you so that you have witness.

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Re: Out of the Blue
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Julio wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 20:45:
BobBob wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 13:16:
Shelf the hurt ego and whining and put the dog on a leash.

I'm with Bob on this one. Off your property, use a leash or go to a designated leash free dog park. Too many dog owners think it's great to have their dog plow over little kids and shit on people's lawns.

Any other suggestions from you and BobBob on how to not get on people's wrong sides?

I already copped to being in the wrong.

This comment was edited on Jun 3, 2015, 07:33.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Jun 2, 2015, 20:45
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BobBob wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 13:16:
Shelf the hurt ego and whining and put the dog on a leash.

I'm with Bob on this one. Off your property, use a leash or go to a designated leash free dog park. Too many dog owners think it's great to have their dog plow over little kids and shit on people's lawns.
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Jun 2, 2015, 18:37
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Executive #1: I've got it!! We'll remake a cult classic whose appeal rests almost totally on the cast's ability to play a terrible, cheesy script as if it is completely serious. We'll re-script it, re-cast, and modernize the film until it is unrecognizable...

Executive #2: ...and rule the universe from beyond the grave?

Executive #1: Indeed!!!

Executive #2: ... Or check into a psycho-ward, whichever comes first...
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Blue, your story cracked me up because I've been in similar situations where some a-hole pushes and I ended up pushing back and felt like a turd later. Some people just suck. Now you can't take a relaxing walk without wondering when dickhead might show up. /sigh
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 09:06:
Holy SHIT. You do NOT remake Big Trouble in Little China, just like you do NOT remake Point Break!(also about to be ruined by a remake)

Come on, Hollywood! Big Trouble in Little China is easily one of Carpenter's best works, and arguably still stands up to viewing today. Shameful. A remake would have better CGI, but shittier martial arts work by far. And the wrong David Lo Pan and Egg Shen. Dammit! Also, Hollywood being what is these days, will probably whitewash Wang Chi(the actual hero of BTiLC) right out of the film.


Well, remakes worked out so well for the Poltergeist remake. Also for The Thing remake remake, speaking of John Carpenter. (I guess it's more of a sequel than a remake, but it still sucked)
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MoreLuckThanSkill wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 09:06:
I jog all the time in my neighborhood, and there's always some dog with no leash that will come at me, friendly or otherwise. It's a hassle to stop and attempt to calm the dog down, and try to politely deal with the owner. Also pleasant are random dogs being let out of the house to go shit all over everybody elses' yards. You sound a lot more responsible with your dog than most Blue, so you probably just ran afoul of a guy pissed off at ALL the poorly controlled dogs in the neighborhood, and got all of that guy's saved up ire. :(

I jog around a dirt track at my apartment complex where the grassy bits also serve as a doggie restroom. Most of the people are pretty mindful about making sure their dogs aren't a nuisance to other people on the track, but there are a few that can't be bothered to pay attention. I've only had one incident where a friendly dog on a long leash got too excited someone was running by, and tried to jump on me. Frankly kids are more of a nuisance than the dogs are, as they have the ability to see you coming towards them, but not have the social acumen to think, 'Hey maybe I shouldn't block off the entire path with my bike.'
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In Eastern Europe the dogs run the streets. I was attacked by one. It's a scary place to be. You never know where a pack of dogs will be. Shelf the hurt ego and whining and put the dog on a leash. When people obey the laws we remain a civilized society.
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nin wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 09:04:

We have an asshole like that in our neighborhood. Not only are the dogs running free in a block radius shitting everywhere, but there's also a busy intersection where cars frequently don't obey the speed limit that they run back and forth across.

Pisses me off. I would never let my pets run free where cars are moving.


I wouldn't let our dogs run free either and for the same reason. Its not too hard to clip on the leash and walk. We have dog parks close to us for them to run free.

While dog behavior is predictable, they still can't tell us what's going to set them off. To compound the issue, we can't see what dog territory we're in, so I like to leash the pups so that I can pull them in close if another dog comes after us.

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Oh my.

Dunno if I can hold on 21 hours.

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Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
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nin wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 09:12:
Bard's Tale went from like 36K to 52K, while I was pledging...

wow...1.2m requested...ballsy!


Did it start today? It is worth it in the first 24 hours just to get Wasteland 2 for free....
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PHJF wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 10:15:
I'm sure New York's Finest will send their top men out to apprehend you. Or at least that's what they assured that other guy.

That being said... just leash the dog in populated areas. It doesn't take any great effort.

I always do. Part of our walk is along a commercial street, and I always have him on leash. But most of our path is along very quiet side streets, and this is the first time anybody has said anything about it other than to compliment Gunnar on being so well behaved. There are two ladies we run into on our walks who are terrified of dogs, and they are each okay with him being loose because he shows no interest in them. You are certainly right that I need to just leash him anywhere it may be an issue, but as I say, this was right across the street from where Gunnar's girlfriend lives, and I will continue to let him loose into her yard to frolic (she has an electric fence), so if this guy lives there or visits often, this is going to come up again to some degree.
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I'm sure New York's Finest will send their top men out to apprehend you. Or at least that's what they assured that other guy.

That being said... just leash the dog in populated areas. It doesn't take any great effort.
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That's the thing, if you start off being hostile people are going to react that way. First off I don't even know why you need to leash a dog if its well trained. Mine have always been and I can trust them not to do anything stupid off the leash. And like you said, you pick your moments. This was out for a quiet walk, not in a crowded area. Sounds like the jerk has real issues however. Has to start a fight with someone over a dog being off a leash and report them to the cops over it? Someone needs some meds.

And seriously, fuck you Hollywood.
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I take full responsibility for this, I recently ordered the Blu-Ray, and sold my DVD set on eBay. I must have set off some chain of events that led us to this. Wacky
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Task wrote on Jun 2, 2015, 09:25:
It appears your neighbor has a pretty big ego to stroke there - upholding minor 'laws' to feel self-important. I would have just told them the leash was invisible... and smiled.

I wasn't that classy about it, but I did make a couple of cracks about how little he must have going on in his life to make a federal case out of this.

In an odd coincidence, later in the same walk I had only the second-ever conversation about him being off-leash. A fellow dog-walker was telling me about a guy who belligerently let his dog run free to bark up a storm and crap on all their lawns until the police got involved. Because he broached the subject like an adult, I quickly offered to leash Gunnar if it was a problem, but he was fine with how well-behaved he was and the fact that I was already toting a bag of poop I scooped. I would have been just as responsive to the first guy if he hadn't been such an asshole about it.
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