harlock wrote on May 11, 2015, 08:23:

Simon Says wrote on May 11, 2015, 06:12:
What I meant was acting as a peer to upload the version to other clients..

it has to be whitelisted

Thanks for the info!

eRe4s3r wrote on May 11, 2015, 09:49:
And who has a SSD powered off for a year? ^^

I think that's the point. Don't store archive data on an SSD in a closet, or especially in an storage unit that isn't air conditioned. This is important as people often do this for legal data retention requirements.

MindStalker3 wrote on May 11, 2015, 08:29:

NewMaxx wrote on May 10, 2015, 14:42:
For those curious on here about how long SSDs retain data without power in the "consumer" situation, it's over a year. As a side note it is a good policy to clone and re-apply an image of any SSD drives once a year.

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Consumer SSDs lose data in a week at 55C (131F) temperature. Commercial SSDs can lose date in a week at as little as 40C (104F).

55°C is not exactly normal when a SSD is powered off ;p According to these stats the time errors *begin* appearing is about 4 weeks with continous power off and over a year before a threshold is crossed into data loss as opposed to correctable errors.

And who has a SSD powered off for a year? ^^

NewMaxx wrote on May 10, 2015, 14:42:
For those curious on here about how long SSDs retain data without power in the "consumer" situation, it's over a year. As a side note it is a good policy to clone and re-apply an image of any SSD drives once a year.

PDF
Page 27
Consumer SSDs lose data in a week at 55C (131F) temperature. Commercial SSDs can lose date in a week at as little as 40C (104F).

Simon Says wrote on May 11, 2015, 06:12:
What I meant was acting as a peer to upload the version to other clients..

it has to be whitelisted

Vio wrote on May 11, 2015, 05:21:

PropheT wrote on May 11, 2015, 00:27:

Simon Says wrote on May 10, 2015, 19:50:
Please let this be opt-in and not opt-out and/or can be disabled easily. With low caps and sky high prices, if I can't disable it, I'll have to stick to Win7.

That's unlikely, considering the security gap that it creates. It's one of the main reasons to handle the updates in that fashion in the first place.

What security gap? You mean disabling updates and never updating?

What I meant was acting as a peer to upload the version to other clients. That would totally bust my monthly 20 GB crapass cap for 100$. I don't mind updating, but I can't really help others at this rate per GB, it would cost me a friggin' fortune in overages if I can't disable the uploads.

ms can confirm whatever they want, in 10 or 20 years when there is new leadership etc anything can happen. Saying there will never be another windows version or 11 is bunch of bull.

PropheT wrote on May 11, 2015, 00:27:

Simon Says wrote on May 10, 2015, 19:50:
Please let this be opt-in and not opt-out and/or can be disabled easily. With low caps and sky high prices, if I can't disable it, I'll have to stick to Win7.

That's unlikely, considering the security gap that it creates. It's one of the main reasons to handle the updates in that fashion in the first place.

What security gap? You mean disabling updates and never updating?

Megan Smith clearly demonstrates how clueless she is about science/tech in this interview. So, the "Jobs" movie is her point of reference for women's absence in science. How could someone like her register at and graduate from MIT? She must have paid a lot. Here's a little tip for Mrs. Smith: Shift your focus from Hollywood to real science and check websites such as PubMed.gov. There you will learn that women are and have been playing major parts in science and technology. And while you're at it - check registration statistics of universities, compare male/female ratios and then stop talking shit in interviews.

Simon Says wrote on May 10, 2015, 19:50:
Please let this be opt-in and not opt-out and/or can be disabled easily. With low caps and sky high prices, if I can't disable it, I'll have to stick to Win7.

That's unlikely, considering the security gap that it creates. It's one of the main reasons to handle the updates in that fashion in the first place.

DangerDog wrote on May 10, 2015, 19:55:
Yeah, I guess I was reading into it that future versions were going to be some sort of "computing in the cloud" Windows 365 type service.

As I see it for the PC market most people won't put up with it. You can get away with it in the business market, but I sure don't see your average PC user going that way. Especially PCMR folks, who will jump to a free alternative.

Yeah, I guess I was reading into it that future versions were going to be some sort of "computing in the cloud" Windows 365 type service.

Who knows, they might go there and that's the day I switch to Linux or maybe sooner if it can become a little more user friendly. I listened to someones experience installing Nvidia drivers and it sounded like a headache.

"Users can download Windows updates through Microsoft's servers and from local and internet-connected PCs that have already obtained the updates."

Please let this be opt-in and not opt-out and/or can be disabled easily. With low caps and sky high prices, if I can't disable it, I'll have to stick to Win7.

DangerDog wrote on May 10, 2015, 18:14:

eRe4s3r wrote on May 10, 2015, 17:33:
That MS news is pretty interesting.. last stand alone Windows OS release.. so I guess Windows 10 update is not exactly optional either. Fine by me considering the price seems fair (for once).

It's not the last stand alone OS, they're just not going to stamp version numbers to the end. Might as well just call it Windows X.

Instead of releasing an entirely new and different version of its desktop OS every few years, Microsoft is taking an Apple-like approach to subsequent Windows releases, standardizing on Windows 10 as its Cupertino-based rival has done with OS X. Under this new strategy, Microsoft will deliver regular improvements to Windows through software updates.

When it's an update to Windows 10 it's not standalone from Windows 10. Meaning the base of Windows 10 will always be required (even if you can install an updated version of Windows 10, at the basic level that's Windows 10 revision 6 or whatever, meaning Windows 10 base and 6th revision of update on top. This is a major change of new Windows versions to simple bigger updates to Windows 10 imo.

Not sure that's a good thing or not. But at least it will mean Windows application compatibility will remain stable for a few decades again.

eRe4s3r wrote on May 10, 2015, 17:33:
That MS news is pretty interesting.. last stand alone Windows OS release.. so I guess Windows 10 update is not exactly optional either. Fine by me considering the price seems fair (for once).

It's not the last stand alone OS, they're just not going to stamp version numbers to the end. Might as well just call it Windows X.

Instead of releasing an entirely new and different version of its desktop OS every few years, Microsoft is taking an Apple-like approach to subsequent Windows releases, standardizing on Windows 10 as its Cupertino-based rival has done with OS X. Under this new strategy, Microsoft will deliver regular improvements to Windows through software updates.

That MS news is pretty interesting.. last stand alone Windows OS release.. so I guess Windows 10 update is not exactly optional either. Fine by me considering the price seems fair (for once).

For those curious on here about how long SSDs retain data without power in the "consumer" situation, it's over a year. As a side note it is a good policy to clone and re-apply an image of any SSD drives once a year.