Silicon Avatar wrote on May 10, 2015, 04:52:
the regular people will be driving in an hour and a half to work every day.

I live in a rural area and I do that now.

If you've ever lived in a place that's got a rush on soccer moms who are late for pilates because they needed to drop little Kaden off at Jr. Achievement you can understand the article.

Now imagine an entire city of that.

In ten years the whole place will smell like artisan bread from some chain bakery and all the regular people will be driving in an hour and a half to work every day.

eRe4s3r wrote on May 9, 2015, 05:59:

NKD wrote on May 9, 2015, 04:10:

Amazon’s rapid growth is driving gentrification into popular neighborhoods such as quirky, traditionally gay, Capitol Hill. But Capitol Hill is becoming ‘less gay’ and LGBTQ hate-crimes jumped from 6 in 2011 to 19 in 2012.

What are they trying to say?

This phenomena is called swarm stupidity.

They confuse correlation and causality like basically every retard in media that has an agenda does nowadays, for the sole reason to make a point about an issue they care about, but have no statistical proof for to reinforce their argumentation. I think they do this intentionally. Reaction to A vs B which is not A == B

But you can be populist in your argumentation far easier, and thus draw in far more supporters, when you forgo logic and basic journalist integrity

Logic and reason in this day and age... I must be hallucinating. Cheers! Keep it up!

HorrorScope wrote on May 9, 2015, 17:37:

Beamer wrote on May 9, 2015, 12:53:
Seattle was definitely getting more expensive, and so many of the new buildings going up in Belltown were crap, but it's got a really, really long way to go before it's even remotely close to NYC.

Doesn't NYC have laws that have to have so many affordable houses? Not the typical, for the really poor. But for middle class. I thought they had something so middle class can live in the city and still get the basic jobs done.

There are rent-controlled apartments, but good luck finding one that's available. They simply never hit the market in any formal sense, as anyone who gets them will do their best to hang onto them for as long as possible for obvious reasons (including subleasing them if they're out of the area, even if that's often in violation of the terms of said properties).

Beamer wrote on May 9, 2015, 12:53:
Seattle was definitely getting more expensive, and so many of the new buildings going up in Belltown were crap, but it's got a really, really long way to go before it's even remotely close to NYC.

Doesn't NYC have laws that have to have so many affordable houses? Not the typical, for the really poor. But for middle class. I thought they had something so middle class can live in the city and still get the basic jobs done.

ForgedReality wrote on May 9, 2015, 11:47:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 11:21:

HorrorScope wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:52:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:48:
Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

True. Seattle is a meca to now, I'm sure prices were already high, they are going higher, it's going to be an LA/NY/Chi/SF if it isn't already.

I've been doing some research out there (actually have been looking into jobs with Amazon's corporate headquarters), and from what I've seen of apartments there they're probably pretty close to Chicago territory for cost, although not to the level of NYC, DC, or SF. (LA is just too all over the place to make a good determination on, although the places people want to live tend to cost pretty similarly to DC.)

650sq ft studio for $2300/mo isn't enough for you?

I was still able to find two bedroom apartments within walking distance of Amazon's headquarters that were in the $1700-1800 a month range. It's steep, but not that crazy considering what the income level associated with the employers in the area is.

ForgedReality wrote on May 9, 2015, 11:47:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 11:21:

HorrorScope wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:52:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:48:
Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

True. Seattle is a meca to now, I'm sure prices were already high, they are going higher, it's going to be an LA/NY/Chi/SF if it isn't already.

I've been doing some research out there (actually have been looking into jobs with Amazon's corporate headquarters), and from what I've seen of apartments there they're probably pretty close to Chicago territory for cost, although not to the level of NYC, DC, or SF. (LA is just too all over the place to make a good determination on, although the places people want to live tend to cost pretty similarly to DC.)

650sq ft studio for $2300/mo isn't enough for you?

I had a 1100sq foot penthouse in a brand new building with corner floor to ceiling windows that overlooked the Puget Sound and the Space Needle, giving the best sunsets I've seen in my life. I could also see Mt. Baker and Mt. Rainier. It was probably the best apartment I'll ever life in.

Now, for $700 more per month, I have a 700 square foot one bedroom and can't figure out where to put all my stuff and furniture.

Seattle was definitely getting more expensive, and so many of the new buildings going up in Belltown were crap, but it's got a really, really long way to go before it's even remotely close to NYC.

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 11:21:

HorrorScope wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:52:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:48:
Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

True. Seattle is a meca to now, I'm sure prices were already high, they are going higher, it's going to be an LA/NY/Chi/SF if it isn't already.

I've been doing some research out there (actually have been looking into jobs with Amazon's corporate headquarters), and from what I've seen of apartments there they're probably pretty close to Chicago territory for cost, although not to the level of NYC, DC, or SF. (LA is just too all over the place to make a good determination on, although the places people want to live tend to cost pretty similarly to DC.)

650sq ft studio for $2300/mo isn't enough for you?

HorrorScope wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:52:

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:48:
Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

True. Seattle is a meca to now, I'm sure prices were already high, they are going higher, it's going to be an LA/NY/Chi/SF if it isn't already.

I've been doing some research out there (actually have been looking into jobs with Amazon's corporate headquarters), and from what I've seen of apartments there they're probably pretty close to Chicago territory for cost, although not to the level of NYC, DC, or SF. (LA is just too all over the place to make a good determination on, although the places people want to live tend to cost pretty similarly to DC.)

killer_roach wrote on May 9, 2015, 10:48:
Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

True. Seattle is a meca to now, I'm sure prices were already high, they are going higher, it's going to be an LA/NY/Chi/SF if it isn't already.

Jaxx wrote on May 9, 2015, 06:46:
The people having to pay the price for this are those of lower incomes. There have been multiple instances of fixed income apartment buildings being sold and remodeled. This forces ALL the tenants out and of course are told they can have their apt back, for three times the rent they were paying.

And lastly, politically we are a cesspool. What the citizens want, doesn't matter. The businesses are what matter for the most part. because they want more room, they tear down historical sections of town and reduce the amount of parking. They push for more public transportation, but push the bill on the tax payers.

It honestly sucks to see this city beautiful going the way it is.

Hate to say it, but the other options are either a) make the city so unappealing that nobody wants to live there (Detroit) or b) accede to what you're saying and basically turn the city into a giant gated community - anybody living in there currently can probably continue doing so at their level of income, but anybody moving to the area will face stratospheric property prices (San Francisco).

Ultimately, both the people AND the businesses matter. Without the former, the city withers - without the latter it either hollows out or becomes an irrational plaything for those too wealthy to have concerns with money.

Jaxx wrote on May 9, 2015, 06:46:
The work environment is very caustic from reports of friends.

And lastly, politically we are a cesspool. What the citizens want, doesn't matter. The businesses are what matter for the most part.

It honestly sucks to see this city beautiful going the way it is.

Yep same everywhere, enjoy legal weed I reckon.

Their CEO has psychotic eyes and looks like the real Dr. Evil so no surprises here. That said, I'm sure he can show us a list of charities and wonderful things he's done.

Jaxx wrote on May 9, 2015, 06:46:

Xoxotl wrote on May 9, 2015, 03:24:
I will summarize this article in one sentence: "Amazon is bringing too many white males into Seattle. We find this unacceptable."

So, yeah, it's basically one long racist and sexist rant.

I almost didn't respond because that was pretty idiotic. That was nto what the article was saying.

Then why did the article go on, at some length, about the racial and gender make-up of the people moving into the area? In the very first paragraph, even. Apparently the writer thought it was pretty important.

When I arrived in Seattle in 1991, Tim Wistrom’s art playfully epitomized post-apocalyptic Seattle. But increasingly, the city’s likely doom appears much less fantastic and closer: an unaffordable traffic-filled metropolis dominated by white males and devoid of independent culture — fueled by Amazon.

Xoxotl wrote on May 9, 2015, 03:24:
I will summarize this article in one sentence: "Amazon is bringing too many white males into Seattle. We find this unacceptable."

So, yeah, it's basically one long racist and sexist rant.

I almost didn't respond because that was pretty idiotic. That was nto what the article was saying. As someone that lives in Seattle and has seen what is going on, what you say is far from the truth. If anything, Amazon is actually bringing people in from other countries on work visa's. But with the explosive growth they've brought to the downtown area, rents and housing are fast becoming unaffordable. The work environment is very caustic from reports of friends.

The people having to pay the price for this are those of lower incomes. There have been multiple instances of fixed income apartment buildings being sold and remodeled. This forces ALL the tenants out and of course are told they can have their apt back, for three times the rent they were paying.

And lastly, politically we are a cesspool. What the citizens want, doesn't matter. The businesses are what matter for the most part. because they want more room, they tear down historical sections of town and reduce the amount of parking. They push for more public transportation, but push the bill on the tax payers.

It honestly sucks to see this city beautiful going the way it is.

NKD wrote on May 9, 2015, 04:10:

Amazon’s rapid growth is driving gentrification into popular neighborhoods such as quirky, traditionally gay, Capitol Hill. But Capitol Hill is becoming ‘less gay’ and LGBTQ hate-crimes jumped from 6 in 2011 to 19 in 2012.

What are they trying to say?

This phenomena is called swarm stupidity.

They confuse correlation and causality like basically every retard in media that has an agenda does nowadays, for the sole reason to make a point about an issue they care about, but have no statistical proof for to reinforce their argumentation. I think they do this intentionally. Reaction to A vs B which is not A == B

But you can be populist in your argumentation far easier, and thus draw in far more supporters, when you forgo logic and basic journalist integrity

Amazon’s rapid growth is driving gentrification into popular neighborhoods such as quirky, traditionally gay, Capitol Hill. But Capitol Hill is becoming ‘less gay’ and LGBTQ hate-crimes jumped from 6 in 2011 to 19 in 2012.

What are they trying to say?

I will summarize this article in one sentence: "Amazon is bringing too many white males into Seattle. We find this unacceptable."

So, yeah, it's basically one long racist and sexist rant.