Guys, Axis keeps proving himself 100% correct. He's got it under control.

In regards to your #3... What exactly did you prove?

We could dispute fuzzy facts all day JD, and since these are a common agenda among liberals it's not surprising you'll find scathing articles on hardcore liberal sites like fivethirtyeight, ourcog, etc that you linked from. I could dispute it all with more credible sources, it makes no difference you guys simply are brainwashed or in denial.

Just take this thread as your future example:

1. I pointed out this is part of their daily agenda (I never stated any of it was right or wrong, just that it's constantly in our faces, and highly divisive because it's all broad brushed and mostly bullshit).
2. Descender the Liberal and pal comes in and emphatically says its not and insults.
3. Then I prove it, and he agrees with some of it but acts like he still is "winning" or something, insults some more.
4. Then I slam it home proving his ignorance, yet he demands me show evidence.
5. I use his exact words in this thread, and prove me 100% correct again. Then he and his bud attack more and takes all those supposedly non-liberal talking points and rattles off why they are all right in his mind.
6. Then you come in and agree, but only because you believe this liberal agenda that has been pounded into your head and post liberal blog posts attempting to prove it - not because it's true, but because you want it to be true.

JD, you left out income inequality, which is the worst since the 1920s, meaning before the New Deal brought socialism to the US and the wealth inequality is worse than that.

But I guess Republicans not making half a million a year are ok with this because they're simply lazier and less intelligent than the Donald Trumps and Kim Kardashians of the world.

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 14:15:
Cmon JD, the president bashing was never worse than during Bush, and dems just kept going and going pushing the hate and people apart because that's what they do:

Everything is still Bush's fault
Everyone is a racist
Everyone is a bigot
Everyone is an islamophobe
War against women
War against homosexuals
War against war
War against science
You eat too unhealthy
You use too much energy
Take their guns
Let illegals in
Capitalism is evil
Income inequality

I could go on and on and its ALL liberal ALL DAMN DAY every damn day and it's all complete and utter bullshit 99% of the time.

Liberals and Democrats own the root of hyperpartisanship, no escaping it and you know it. Everyone sees it -- and any who say they don't either are willfully blind, or pay no attention to that which they say they do.

The thing is, almost everything in your list is empirically true, which is why people say it. They're not just making shit up.

1. Bush has been ranked by historians as one of the worst presidents ever. One might argue that bashing was deserved.

2. Not everyone, but Republicans are in fact more racist.

3. Conservative states have more incidents of islamophobia, empirically.

4. How can you even dispute the War on Women ? The vast majority of anti-women legislation are introduced and sponsored by Republicans. Are you denying that's the case?

5. The states banning gay marriage are, in fact, Republican controlled states. Is this even in doubt?

6. Not only is there a Republican War on Science, but scientists are examining and beginning to understand why Republicans hate science so much.

And on, and on. Each point is easily supported by empirical evidence.

There has always been partisanship, but that's not what I'm talking about. Hyperpartisanship, the vicious no-holds-barred organized and monied attacks and distortions against the left from the right began with Lee Atwater and took off with Fox News and conservative talk radio. Concepts like the Overton Window were designed to push ideas that were common sense to most people rightward in an attempt to "conservatize" the nation. Distortion and outright lies by Fox News make viewers the least informed. Billionaires like the Kochs and Adelson funnel millions of dollars to think tanks and lobbyists in an attempt to further push the country to the right, buoyed by SCOTUS cases like Citizen's United. That's what I mean, and little of that is in doubt. It's why we have a country dominated by a party that is supported by only about 30% of the population.

SengFeng wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 13:43:
Blame Rush and Fox News... How libtarded of you. God forbid we didn't just have almost 8 years of Democratic-lead Congress and they accomplished nothing. They wait to enact goofy legislation/executive orders when they can point fingers at Republicans.

Actually, they did something. They enacted the most consequential piece of domestic legislation since the 1960s: the ACA. Regardless of your opinion of it, good or bad, they actually got something major accomplished that dramatically affects the lives of millions of people in this hyperpartisan environment we've had politically since Clinton came to office.

Income inequality:

A liberal farce. If I could hire someone for less doing the same job, why would I hire or keep anyone else for more?

Well that's not what income inequality is about at all, so go educate yourself. (Also... See: Capitalism is evil)

Who's doing all they can to legalize the illegals?

Decent human beings following the (ready for it?) Christian ideology of acceptance (love thy neighbor).

Who wants all wars ended no matter the cost.

No one wants wars ended "no matter the cost". They mostly don't want them started "no matter the cost" either. People who don't support illegal wars are probably going to be against them though. People who don't want our troops dying needlessly for oil profits are probably going to be against them. ISIS thanks YOU and your party for creating the power vacuum required for them to rise in to power.

Who regurgitates "Bushs Fault" so much its a viral meme.

Bush was a fucking retard. Go ahead, feel free to dispute that. Do people overplay what was 'his fault'? Sure. Do smart people do that? No, and you knew that already.

Who demonizes others as racist, homophobes, islamaphobes?

People who aren't bigots and racists. Who are generally bigots and racists? Republicans. Don't be so defensive, they aren't accusing anyone of something that isn't actually happening.

Who demonizes food, forces "healthy" federal lunches, limits sizes?

OK, now you're starting to walk off the deep end. Trying to eat healthy has to be a "liberal agenda"? That can't just be "common fucking sense"?

Who demonizes corporations, capitalism?

People who are consistently fucked over by corporations. Explain how this is any more or less mature than demonizing anything to do with the "government".

Who lobbies gun control and global warming "laws".

Smart, civilized people. Once again you have failed to identify any sort of actual negative connotation as to why this is a bad thing. This is also completely backwards. The only reason the gun laws haven't been changed is because of the gun lobby. 90% of the American public wants changes to the gun law... are you some how implying that 90% of the country has a liberal agenda?

Is that all?

EDIT:

I have nothing else to say, you said it all best.

You really had nothing useful to say in the first place.

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 16:31:
Who wants all wars ended no matter the cost.
(ISIS loves you, they thank you for doing nothing and they know things will only get better for them. They also appreciate Liberals views of Israel, nuke talks with Iran, and less Gitmo among other things)

I often find the sheer stupidity on your side of the aisle somewhat amusing--it's like absurdist theater--but then you go and make a statement as insultingly mind-fuckingly ignorant as the one above and I'm not laughing anymore.

If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq there WOULDN'T be any ISIS, you Mother[CENSORED BEFORE BLUE CAN DO IT FOR ME].

First Bush lets Bin Ladin go in Afghanistan so he can go invade another country which has NO LINKS to Islamic terrorism whatsoever. This leads directly to a civil war between the Sunni and the Shia, which leads directly to the formation of ISIS!

Next time you want to start frothing at the mouth and pointing fingers looking for someone to blame for the evils of the world, try looking in a fucking mirror.

Your ignorance is no excuse. It just isn't.

descender wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 16:44:
Stuff... then...

I challenge you to find some sources for that wall of nonsense you just posted. I know you won't, because you don't have any... and you'll pretend it's my responsibility to prove your stupid shit wrong. Well, that's not how the world works, little man!

Hmm just so happens...

descender wrote:
Most right-wingers do tend to be bigoted and racist...

descender wrote:
They are publicly anti-immigrant, anti-equality... anti-anything not christian...

descender wrote:
Capitalism is pretty fuckin evil.

descender wrote:
Income inequality is a real thing.

I have nothing else to say, you said it all best.

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 14:15:
Let illegals in

I "love" it when people use this term.
1. "Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun.
2. Calling people "illegals" makes it pretty easy to forget they're humans, which is of course why extremist conservatives love using the term. Who cares what happens to "illegals"?
3. NOBODY is talking about "letting illegals in". That would be political suicide. Many of the Democrats, including the President, are pushing for amnesty for immigrants ALREADY IN THE USA. That's not letting more people in. But hey, don't let facts cloud the discussion here. And hell, they're kids that are eligible for amnesty, who had no say in their parents' decision to come here illegally.
4. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to be so upset about illegal immigrants when that's exactly what the European colonists were? I'm pretty sure the Native Americans "owned" the land making up the USA before the Pilgrims et al landed.

I was raised Republican and didn't form my own views until after college, but thankfully I have been fortunate enough to encounter moderate Conservatives AND Liberals (including my parents), and it's a shame they're aren't more of them on both sides of the fence. And yes, in many ways the political parties are two sides of the same coin, which is why I never call myself a Democrat.

As far as Bush bashing goes, yes it was pretty intense, but calling Bush a stupid redneck is a lot less caustic than calling Obama a Muslim, non-American, and all the racist stuff that's often included. I disagree with him on many topics, but it's pretty incredible that the guy just can't win no matter what he does. He can drop a million bombs on suspected ISIS terrorists and he's still "soft on terrorism". I'd love to see what Ann Coulter and her ilk would say about a truly "liberal" president who was soft on terror and would refuse to incur any collateral damage, and try to appease ISIS through diplomacy and ransom money.

As far as Net Neutrality goes, it's like Obamacare. It's far from perfect, but it's a damn sight better than what we had before. All those people complaining about Obamacare must not have noticed how shitty the American Healthcare system has been for many years now (and which admittedly Obamacare only fixes a little bit of). Coverage exceptions for pre-existing conditions should have been illegal from day one. I work in Healthcare and get to see the lack of ISP competition on a daily basis in my role at work. The problems in both environments are pretty easy to see.

Also, a quick note on "destroying the foundation of marriage", since that was mentioned. I am a heterosexual male married to a heterosexual female, and I have a daughter as a result of that relationship. I completely fail to see how homosexual couples getting married in any way, shape, or form diminishes the meaning of my marriage. If that's all it takes to "destroy the foundation of marriage", it's in more trouble than I thought. Other hetero couples getting divorced does not diminish my marriage, so why would homosexual couples getting married do so? I just don't see the logic here. If two people love each other, they should be able to get married. Period.

This comment was edited on Mar 6, 2015, 16:56.

DELETED: fucking quote system!

Oh man I totally forgot the war on Christmas! Another FauxNews Special full lies so hard to believe it's a wonder why they even bother. They lie about things getting banned in places that never actually happened... They paint America as if it were founded as a Christian nation even though this is specifically forbidden in the "sacred text" of the Constitution. Then there is Papa Bear's crusade on the word "holiday"...

It's hilarious what inane shit they will latch on to in the name of "freedom".

Axis:

These "talking points" are direct from your party's mouth, and regurgitated in all forms of media.


First of all, no they are not. Stop acting like a child. We are mostly adults here.

Secondly... most of those are progressive LOGICAL ideas, not necessarily "liberal" and definitely not an "agenda" that is being "pushed" by anyone. The reason you can't wrap your head around this is because you are so hyper-partisan that you honestly believe anything you don't agree with must come from some liberal fantasyland. You seem to have gone to great lengths to prove what jdreyer said was exactly 100% correct.

I challenge you to find some sources for that wall of nonsense you just posted. I know you won't, because you don't have any... and you'll pretend it's my responsibility to prove your stupid shit wrong. Well, that's not how the world works, little man!

EDIT: Actually can't tell if beremot was being sarcastic when he wrote his post so... yeah.

This comment was edited on Mar 6, 2015, 16:59.

Hello double post. Where did you come from?

This comment was edited on Mar 6, 2015, 17:02.

descender wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 16:01:
It's not denial, it's reality. You get all of your talking points from one place and it's blatantly obvious.

There is absolutely no liberal equivalent of "Fox & Friends" or Rush Limbaugh... or anything remotely similar to their ilk.

These "talking points" are direct from your party's mouth, and regurgitated in all forms of media.

Who talks "Income inequality" constantly?
(A liberal farce. If I could hire someone for less doing the same job, why would I hire or keep anyone else for more?)

Who's doing all they can to legalize the illegals?
(the cream of the crop have to wait legally while the gang members can slide on in! Well they aren't *all* gang members, but who cares. - "The Children!!")

Who wants all wars ended no matter the cost.
(ISIS loves you, they thank you for doing nothing and they know things will only get better for them. They also appreciate Liberals views of Israel, nuke talks with Iran, and less Gitmo among other things)

Who regurgitates "Bushs Fault" so much its a viral meme.
(Remember the shoe! It's like the Alamo, but a shoe!)

Who demonizes others as racist, homophobes, islamaphobes?
(Eric Holder also agrees with Obama's assessment)

Who demonizes food, forces "healthy" federal lunches, limits sizes?
(The Mayor of New york and Mrs Obama walk into a bar...)

Who demonizes corporations, capitalism?
(WHOOO HOO, the gov't passed Net Neutrality!!.
"What does it do?
Who knows -- Fuck Comcast ya!)

Who lobbies gun control and global warming "laws".
(We all know republicans are staunch objectors to gun ownership and anti sciencers!)



[edit] I see you changed your reply and instead agreed with your "agenda".

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 14:15:

jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 13:07:

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 12:34:
Blue has you guys in a bottle. All he's been doing the last few months is making a headline like "Republicans blah blah blah" and you all froth to rabidly comment even if you have absolutely no idea what it's about (like that 10 page Net neutrality legislation you all signed on for and have no idea what's in it).

Baah Baah, have you any wool?

We live in an age of hyperpartisanship. And most of it has been caused by Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes & Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Frank Luntz, etc. etc. The Dems simply don't have anything close to the amount of infrastructure and money that the Repubs do

Cmon JD, the president bashing was never worse than during Bush, and dems just kept going and going pushing the hate and people apart because that's what they do:

Everything is still Bush's fault
Everyone is a racist
Everyone is a bigot
Everyone is an islamophobe
War against women
War against homosexuals
War against war
War against science
You eat too unhealthy
You use too much energy
Take their guns
Let illegals in
Capitalism is evil
Income inequality

I could go on and on and its ALL liberal ALL DAMN DAY every damn day and it's all complete and utter bullshit 99% of the time.

Liberals and Democrats own the root of hyperpartisanship, no escaping it and you know it. Everyone sees it -- and any who say they don't either are willfully blind, or pay no attention to that which they say they do.

With an argument as iron clad and well-reasoned as that, Axis, I don't see how anyone could fail to be convinced by you.

But you left out one thing.

What about the liberals War on Christmas?

I was okay with the creeping socialism.

I was okay with the death panels.

I was even okay with the whole destroying-the-foundation-of-marriage thing.

But when the liberals went after Christmas?

That was just unforgivable.

This comment was edited on Mar 6, 2015, 17:03.

There is absolutely no liberal equivalent of "Fox & Friends" or Rush Limbaugh... or anything remotely similar to their ilk. The only thing that is even remotely similar would be the Daily Show, and that's a comedy show... not a propaganda machine masquerading as "real news".

Most right-wingers do tend to be bigoted and racist, I don't even understand how you could attempt to refute that. They are publicly anti-immigrant, anti-equality... anti-anything not christian...
The "war on everything" has basically been completely fabricated by FauxNews to keep your eyes glued to the screen.
No one is trying to "take your guns", but I bet I know where you heard that...

Capitalism is pretty fuckin evil.

Income inequality is a real thing. Do you deny it is a problem?

Sorry dude, but you continually have your head buried in the sand on a myriad of issues. You get all of your political talking points from one place with zero critical thinking involved, and it's blatantly obvious.

This comment was edited on Mar 6, 2015, 16:13.

descender wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 14:34:
Axis, you're going to hurt yourself with all of that stupid.

I find it hilarious when people like you try to flip all of the lunatic things the FauxNews crowd complains about as if they were actually liberal agendas.

It takes a deep-seeded denial to state something like that.

Axis, you're going to hurt yourself with all of that stupid.

I find it hilarious when people like you try to flip all of the lunatic things the FauxNews crowd complains about as if they were actually liberal agendas.

jdreyer wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 13:07:

Axis wrote on Mar 6, 2015, 12:34:
Blue has you guys in a bottle. All he's been doing the last few months is making a headline like "Republicans blah blah blah" and you all froth to rabidly comment even if you have absolutely no idea what it's about (like that 10 page Net neutrality legislation you all signed on for and have no idea what's in it).

Baah Baah, have you any wool?

We live in an age of hyperpartisanship. And most of it has been caused by Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes & Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Frank Luntz, etc. etc. The Dems simply don't have anything close to the amount of infrastructure and money that the Repubs do

Cmon JD, the president bashing was never worse than during Bush, and dems just kept going and going pushing the hate and people apart because that's what they do:

Everything is still Bush's fault
Everyone is a racist
Everyone is a bigot
Everyone is an islamophobe
War against women
War against homosexuals
War against war
War against science
You eat too unhealthy
You use too much energy
Take their guns
Let illegals in
Capitalism is evil
Income inequality

I could go on and on and its ALL liberal ALL DAMN DAY every damn day and it's all complete and utter bullshit 99% of the time.

Liberals and Democrats own the root of hyperpartisanship, no escaping it and you know it. Everyone sees it -- and any who say they don't either are willfully blind, or pay no attention to that which they say they do.

Blame Rush and Fox News... How libtarded of you. God forbid we didn't just have almost 8 years of Democratic-lead Congress and they accomplished nothing. They wait to enact goofy legislation/executive orders when they can point fingers at Republicans.