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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 22:34
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 22:34
Feb 23, 2015, 22:34
 
vacs wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 18:08:
What's all this talk about improving boot times? Are you guys booting like 30 times a day that it matters at all?

I boot my computer once a day and I really couldn't care less whether it takes 20 or 30 seconds to see my desktop because I need 60 seconds to get my coffee ready before I start to work on my PC... Seriously guys, first world problems

In the office, of course, who cares, but at home, THAT MEANS FIVE EXTRA SECONDS OF GAMING TIME!!!

In any case, I did an actual shutdown and boot just to see if it made much difference, and after a full shutdown (by command prompt) it takes windows 8.1 ~6 seconds after UEFI to get to the CTRL ALT DEL prompt versus the 4 it takes from the hybrid shutdown.

Still noticeably faster than Win7. (Yes, I know, who cares, it's just for the sake of the argument.)
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 19:59
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 19:59
Feb 23, 2015, 19:59
 
vacs wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 18:08:
What's all this talk about improving boot times? Are you guys booting like 30 times a day that it matters at all?

I boot my computer once a day and I really couldn't care less whether it takes 20 or 30 seconds to see my desktop because I need 60 seconds to get my coffee ready before I start to work on my PC... Seriously guys, first world problems

Right and the guy right above you Mr XP. As good as XP was, you were a lot more inclined to have to reboot it because it is acting up, at any point of the day. That is when boot time mattered. So the talk about boot is almost like too late to a party. Wow great you have a fast boot time, but you no longer really need that.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 18:08
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 18:08
Feb 23, 2015, 18:08
 
What's all this talk about improving boot times? Are you guys booting like 30 times a day that it matters at all?

I boot my computer once a day and I really couldn't care less whether it takes 20 or 30 seconds to see my desktop because I need 60 seconds to get my coffee ready before I start to work on my PC... Seriously guys, first world problems
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 18:05
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 18:05
Feb 23, 2015, 18:05
 
Windows XP allowed you to boot from install disc and repair the system without reformatting. Ever since Vista, this feature is gone. De-evolution continues.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 18:03
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 18:03
Feb 23, 2015, 18:03
 
Julio wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 17:00:
So Windows 10 really doesn't have anything new to offer me based on that article. Good to know, staying with Win 7 then.

900% faster games?
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
 
Flo wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 09:38:
I switched to Win 8 right away due to the faster boot times.
Who cares about a few colored tiles when you get SPEED.

With Verno.

I don't reboot (but a few times per year), fastest start-up times ever.

I know people still use that a lot, but really things running well, it's a near meaningless boot times any more. Sleep conserves quite well.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
Feb 23, 2015, 17:59
 
Fantaz wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 16:51:
I might get a job at AMD (graphics)... so excited!!


Sweet! Good luck!
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 17:00
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 17:00
Feb 23, 2015, 17:00
 
So Windows 10 really doesn't have anything new to offer me based on that article. Good to know, staying with Win 7 then.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 16:51
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 16:51
Feb 23, 2015, 16:51
 
I might get a job at AMD (graphics)... so excited!!

I mentioned about Nvidia's woes with the GTX 970 VRAM issues and we both had a good laugh about it haha
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 14:53
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 14:53
Feb 23, 2015, 14:53
 
NegaDeath wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 14:07:
Creston wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 11:21:
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I'm pretty sure the shut down is just that, a shut down. I've shut 8.1 down and pulled the power to open the case and mess around a bit inside, then when it comes back on, it boots at the same speed?

Windows 8+ uses a new mode called hybrid shutdown. It's like a partial powerless hibernate. When you force a classic cold start it takes longer to start, though it is still faster than 7 thanks to the more modern UEFI support.

Any day in which you learn something is a good one. Thanks
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 14:07
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Feb 23, 2015, 14:07
 
Creston wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 11:21:
?

I'm pretty sure the shut down is just that, a shut down. I've shut 8.1 down and pulled the power to open the case and mess around a bit inside, then when it comes back on, it boots at the same speed?

Windows 8+ uses a new mode called hybrid shutdown. It's like a partial powerless hibernate. When you force a classic cold start it takes longer to start, though it is still faster than 7 thanks to the more modern UEFI support.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 13:11
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Feb 23, 2015, 13:11
 
DG wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 12:45:
Not sure what happens in Win8 but it is possible to suspend and unplug the power because some methods (basically) dump ram onto HDD and all it does on "boot" is put it back into RAM. Obviously your BIOS routines still run but the o/s doesn't load fresh.

That's possible. I'll try it by booting into safe mode, which shouldn't be possible from hibernate, afaik.

Speculating, but the keyboard thing might be a deliberate by MS to prevent USB payloads executing before the OS is fully loaded. a USB stick firmware can pretend to be a keyboard in order to bypass security restrictions. I'm guessing this because my kb started being delayed like yours around the time MS released updates targeting USB autorun exploits.

Hmmm, interesting. I didn't think about that. Makes sense.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 12:45
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Feb 23, 2015, 12:45
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Not sure what happens in Win8 but it is possible to suspend and unplug the power because some methods (basically) dump ram onto HDD and all it does on "boot" is put it back into RAM. Obviously your BIOS routines still run but the o/s doesn't load fresh.

Speculating, but the keyboard thing might be a deliberate by MS to prevent USB payloads executing before the OS is fully loaded. a USB stick firmware can pretend to be a keyboard in order to bypass security restrictions. I'm guessing this because my kb started being delayed like yours around the time MS released updates targeting USB autorun exploits.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 11:21
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 11:21
Feb 23, 2015, 11:21
 
wtf_man wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 10:34:
Flo wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 09:38:
I switched to Win 8 right away due to the faster boot times.
Who cares about a few colored tiles when you get SPEED.

The faster boot times are bullshit.
You aren't really shutting down fully by default... you are hibernating.

?

I'm pretty sure the shut down is just that, a shut down. I've shut 8.1 down and pulled the power to open the case and mess around a bit inside, then when it comes back on, it boots at the same speed?

It took my windows 7 install roughly 9 seconds from the time UEFI was done to boot to the CTRL+ALT+DEL screen, and in Windows 8.1 it's really no more than 4 seconds. (additionally, for whatever reason—my crappy motherboard / drivers most likely—it took another 5 to 10 seconds for Windows 7 to finally take my keyboard input so I could actually put in my pw, whereas in Win8.1 it's immediate.)

I would never recommend anyone upgrade for a 5 second boot difference, but it's definitely noticeable.


A full boot on either OS on an SSD is about the same. 8,8.1 is probably slightly faster, but negligible. Not enough for me to switch.

YMMV. It's possible my Win7 booted slow for some reason (though I got about the same boot times right after a fresh install versus a year down the road). But yeah, I wouldn't upgrade solely for that 5 second less boot time.
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 10:55
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Feb 23, 2015, 10:55
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InBlack wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 09:51:
I boot. Im big on conserving energy.

(Also, an SSD helps)

Pfft, my computer uses a few pennies worth of energy in a month with S3 Sleep
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Watching: Into the Light
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 10:34
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Re: Morning Tech Bits Feb 23, 2015, 10:34
Feb 23, 2015, 10:34
 
Flo wrote on Feb 23, 2015, 09:38:
I switched to Win 8 right away due to the faster boot times.
Who cares about a few colored tiles when you get SPEED.

The faster boot times are bullshit.
You aren't really shutting down fully by default... you are hibernating.

You could get the same thing from Windows 7 if you choose to hibernate instead of shut down.

A full boot on either OS on an SSD is about the same. 8,8.1 is probably slightly faster, but negligible. Not enough for me to switch.

Win 10 is good except for all of the builtin crap that tries to force cloud, bing, and other datamining.

I'll probably just use Server 10 as a workstation OS , since it's not as intrusive.
Get your games from GOG DAMMIT!
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 09:51
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Feb 23, 2015, 09:51
 
I boot. Im big on conserving energy.

(Also, an SSD helps)
I have a nifty blue line!
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 09:47
Verno
 
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Feb 23, 2015, 09:47
 Verno
 
S3 Sleep, who even boots anymore?
Playing: Trials of Mana Remake, FF7R
Watching: Into the Light
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Re: Morning Tech Bits
Feb 23, 2015, 09:38
Flo
 
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Feb 23, 2015, 09:38
 Flo
 
I switched to Win 8 right away due to the faster boot times.
Who cares about a few colored tiles when you get SPEED.
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