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Feb 20, 2015, 12:07
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Feb 20, 2015, 12:07
 
CGI is great for things that aren't organic.

CGI is often, usually, terrible for things that are. And, right now, it's still terrible when it's the bulk of a set, but great when it's less than the bulk of a set.

Going back and watching something like The Thing makes me lament how much of that is lost. Or, really, anything with weight, like car chases and crashes. But then you have something like the world of Game of Thrones, which is often ridiculously well done CGI backdrops that are far better than old matte paintings (though I love the skill required to make those.)
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Feb 20, 2015, 12:01
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Feb 20, 2015, 12:01
 
My only problem with CGI is with the film creators who don't respect it's limitations. I realize in technological terms this is ancient stuff but the burly brawl in Matrix Reloaded stands to mind as going too far. With modern CGI it's easier to hide the flaws but it isn't 100% there yet. So long as it doesn't trigger the "it looks fake" response I'm happy to watch.
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:56
JTW
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JTW
 
Also chiming in to say that CGI isn't a problem. Abusing CGI is a problem. Low quality, obvious CGI is a problem. Michael Bay at his best and Peter Jackson at his worst are the problem.

Many uses of CGI today are so subtle that most people don't even notice it is there. It is phone lines removed in the background of a historical scene. It is establishing shots of Victorian London from a distance. Good luck finding a film in a theater that doesn't use at least some CGI.
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:45
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:45
 Jivaro
 
I recently had a discussion about CGI with a buddy, basically my side of it went like this:

Michael Bay, in my opinion, made terrible Transformer movies. He made some great robot battle scenes but he made terrible Transformer movies. Michael Bay thinks Transformer movies should only be about big robots having big battles, making big explosions. The actual story and plot don't matter. Plug any actor or actress in, get any writer, the results will be the same because the guy controlling the end result is the same. Michael Bay doesn't think this way because of the existence of CGI. He thinks this way because he sees big robots from another planet and that is what his mind conjures up. Michael Bay would have made shitty Transformer movies using the Star Trek: TOS or the Japanese Gozilla movie technology of the 60s. Change the tools, change the decade...I don't believe it would really matter.

CGI isn't the problem, it is simply a tool. Like any tool, it's only as good as the wielder. Blaming a tool for a shitty result only works when it's the only tool available to use.
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:32
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:32
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NKD wrote on Feb 20, 2015, 10:17:
The crybaby dinosaurs who complain about CGI in movies need a few teeth knocked out. Filmmaking is like anything else. You use the proper tool for the job. Sometimes, that's CGI.

I've found that a lot of times people aren't even aware of how much CGI is used in things. They'll talk about a movie or TV show "not using much CGI" and then they find out later that nearly every scene had CGI enhancing the background in lieu of a prohibitively expensive set.

Filmmakers have been using fancy techniques to get around what can be done practically since before CGI or computers were even a thing. Traveling mattes, etc. were just shoddy proto-CGI but made a lot of stuff possible or feasible that simply wasn't otherwise.

If I can tell that it's CGI, it has probably been used inappropriately. All of those times that I don't see it? Great! I love it! That's exactly when it should be used.

When it's used to animate characters that look unequivocally worse than human actors in the same role (compare orcs in LotR to The Hobbit), it's terrible. Stop it.
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Feb 20, 2015, 11:27
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Blizzard has had some of the highest quality intro-movies for the past 20yrs. It'll be interesting to see if they can carry that into an actual movie environment. If so, I expect this to be one of the best looking movies ever.

I have zero expectations for the story, but visually, I expect to be blown away.
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Feb 20, 2015, 10:37
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Feb 20, 2015, 10:37
 Verno
 
I think the problem is more that CGI was invented to help offset the cost of movies and instead has inflated budgets. Of course with hollywood accounting its really difficult to accurately peg where the fault lies. Many CGI/animation companies go under right after a big project when a studio screws them on something so its hard to fault one side or the other in a scenario where they're all fucking each other.

In terms of seeing the effects in films, there are times its done really well and there are times I wish they had used more practical effects or just been less ambitious. Some films seem to use it as a crutch when the director was simply overreaching with his budget or the script calls for things that just aren't practical. Sometimes this works out well but I would say more often than not it doesn't and ends up looking really poorly implemented.

I don't think you really consider that some people just find it jarring by the way. In an entertainment medium where escapism is paramount (heh!) that's not an insignificant factor. The use of CGI certainly isn't going anywhere so people have to suck it up but in their defense I can see how its overuse would annoy people who end up blaming the tool instead of the person wielding it.
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Feb 20, 2015, 10:17
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Feb 20, 2015, 10:17
NKD
 
The crybaby dinosaurs who complain about CGI in movies need a few teeth knocked out. Filmmaking is like anything else. You use the proper tool for the job. Sometimes, that's CGI.

I've found that a lot of times people aren't even aware of how much CGI is used in things. They'll talk about a movie or TV show "not using much CGI" and then they find out later that nearly every scene had CGI enhancing the background in lieu of a prohibitively expensive set.

Filmmakers have been using fancy techniques to get around what can be done practically since before CGI or computers were even a thing. Traveling mattes, etc. were just shoddy proto-CGI but made a lot of stuff possible or feasible that simply wasn't otherwise.
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