And yet Happy Days went on to be a major network success for several years AFTER he jumped the shark.


have they done some crazy shit before? Yup. Is it still better then half the shit kids watch these days? Better then 1 women potentially sleeping with 20 guys before only sleeping with 2 and then marrying one of them? Yup.

Mad Max RW wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:56:

Ant wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:39:

Mad Max RW wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:26:
This is exact same concept was done on some obscure G4 show years ago.

Is this online somewhere for us to watch?

I couldn't say for sure, they were all alike to me, so finding a particular episode is proving difficult. The episode was staged in a garbage dump or a scrap yard. Bill Sindelar could have been the host. He was running through an obstacle course carrying a shotgun, a rocket launcher, a plasma rifle, full body armor like the Doom marine, and some other Doom stuff. The goal was to see if was possible for one guy to carry so much crap while battling demons. I'm trying and failing to find the show online. After G4 went off the air most of their content was purged from the internet.

I did see a few old G4 episodes like very old Icons episodes, but not its newer episodes that I wanted to see. Those were cool. I didn't have cable/satellite TV back then. Thanks to the Internet, I was able to see them a decade later online. Haha.

Ant wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:39:

Mad Max RW wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:26:
This is exact same concept was done on some obscure G4 show years ago.

Is this online somewhere for us to watch?

I couldn't say for sure, they were all alike to me, so finding a particular episode is proving difficult. The episode was staged in a garbage dump or a scrap yard. Bill Sindelar could have been the host. He was running through an obstacle course carrying a shotgun, a rocket launcher, a plasma rifle, full body armor like the Doom marine, and some other Doom stuff. The goal was to see if was possible for one guy to carry so much crap while battling demons. I'm trying and failing to find the show online. After G4 went off the air most of their content was purged from the internet.

Mad Max RW wrote on Feb 1, 2015, 12:26:
This is exact same concept was done on some obscure G4 show years ago.

Is this online somewhere for us to watch?

This is exact same concept was done on some obscure G4 show years ago.

Fun episode. It had all DOOM games. Also, Fruit Ninja!

Orogogus wrote on Jan 27, 2015, 12:39:
I don't think that's it. If that was all there was to it, games wouldn't track ammo, either.

Well, there's a line you have to walk between fun and challenging... You don't really want to give everyone god mode and unlimited ammo by default... That may be fun to just run around and go nuts once in a while, but for the game to have any real playability, there needs to be SOME level of challenge... But, if you make things TOO challenging and put in too many rules and restrictions, things start to get less and less fun, too...

And how much does the old school hate regenerating health? A lot. And usually because "it's not realistic," because health packs and turkey platters are much, much more immersive.

Heh. I hate it too, and not because it's not realistic... As you point out, it's MORE realistic than old-school health packs and such... (People really DO heal on their own over time! Just not usually as fast as depicted in games...) I hate it because it forces you to abandon the action and do nothing for a while to keep from dying... Eg: I'm finally playing Assassin's Creed IV (I know, I'm way behind the times!), and I absolutely hate that they've switched to that regen health crap now... In AC2 and 3, I'd just carry plenty of medicine with me, and then in tough fights when running low on health, I could just instantly power back up and continue the fight... Now, I have to run away like a pussy and hide until I'm better! It's annoying as hell... I also dislike that they seem to have done away with armor entirely, as far as I can tell... (Aside from hull armor for your ship...)

Nor is every game DOOM, an over-the-top shootarama. When a game like Half Life 2 does it while pretending to be all immersive, it's just weird. It really feels like something that's there just because Wolfenstein happened to do it that way, and now that's what gamers expect.

Sure, games are different, and for some I'm sure the ultra-realism makes sense... I just tend to not want to play those type of games...

Agrajag wrote on Jan 27, 2015, 07:01:

Orogogus wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 15:04:
I dunno, I think I had that discussion briefly on this board. A certain class of FPS player really hates games that limit you to two guns at a time, and trash it as console crap. But, I mean, it seems kind of realistic, yes? And I think the heavy realism games like Red Orchestra and ARMA hold you to one rifle and one sidearm. I thought it was a weird case of "this is what I'm grew up on and is therefore objectively the best."

I think it's more a case of "real life limitations aren't very fun in a game"... When I'm playing a game, I don't want it to be realistic; I want it to be fun... If I want realism, I can go outside... The biggest appeal of video games is they let you do all kinds of unrealistic shit you'd never be able to do in real life... Don't throw zombies and demons at me, then try to toss in some nod to "realism" by limiting how many fucking guns I can carry! We've already agreed to throw real life out the window, so don't half-ass it! You're not making the game more realistic, you're just making it less fun...

I don't think that's it. If that was all there was to it, games wouldn't track ammo, either. And how much does the old school hate regenerating health? A lot. And usually because "it's not realistic," because health packs and turkey platters are much, much more immersive.

Nor is every game DOOM, an over-the-top shootarama. When a game like Half Life 2 does it while pretending to be all immersive, it's just weird. It really feels like something that's there just because Wolfenstein happened to do it that way, and now that's what gamers expect.

Tavil wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 14:41:
This is pathetic. Mythbusters died along time ago. I really don't know why Adam and Jamie are still doing this.

They're the John Romero of mythbusting.

Hoho.

Orogogus wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 15:04:

SimplyMonk wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 14:04:
But really? Their tag line is "Can someone carry a lot of heavy shit?" It's a bad sign when common sense answers your myth easily.

I dunno, I think I had that discussion briefly on this board. A certain class of FPS player really hates games that limit you to two guns at a time, and trash it as console crap. But, I mean, it seems kind of realistic, yes? And I think the heavy realism games like Red Orchestra and ARMA hold you to one rifle and one sidearm. I thought it was a weird case of "this is what I'm grew up on and is therefore objectively the best."

I think it's more a case of "real life limitations aren't very fun in a game"... When I'm playing a game, I don't want it to be realistic; I want it to be fun... If I want realism, I can go outside... The biggest appeal of video games is they let you do all kinds of unrealistic shit you'd never be able to do in real life... Don't throw zombies and demons at me, then try to toss in some nod to "realism" by limiting how many fucking guns I can carry! We've already agreed to throw real life out the window, so don't half-ass it! You're not making the game more realistic, you're just making it less fun...

This is why I stopped watching Mythbusters about ten years back. It went from real myths to entertainment bullshit.

This seems sooooooo retarded, and BELIEVE ME, I KNOW RETARDED!

Oh wait.....aw dammit...

Show might have jumped the shark.

Fonzie is on his skis, preparing to jump. Everybody wave!

Indy just jumped into a refrigerator. Look out, prairie dog!

jdreyer wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 16:46:

Cutter wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 13:31:
This show was interesting for a season or two but it jumped the shark long ago. This is just silly now. Then again, Discovery is turning into a steaming pile of crap like A&E did.

Discovery turned into a pile of crap a decade ago.

Discovery Canada is different - or at leas it was up until a year or two ago.

djinn wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 15:59:

Cutter wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 13:31:
Then again, Discovery is turning into a steaming pile of crap like A&E did.

Like National Geographic. MTV clones of the former MTV channel that ended up not playing music.

On the other hand I assume this is pre-marketing for some forthcoming info on the next Doom.

That's an excellent guess actually. You're absolutely correct. I would not be the least bit surprised to see this scheisse as nothing more than glorified paid advertisements that will be tied in with the games and what not.

this is funny...

SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 14:53:

Kestral wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 14:46:
Mythbusters stopped being interesting a long time ago, when they started trying to "bust" movie stunts and things from Batman comic books.

Well some of the stuff they did was pretty interesting actually.
Like for instance throw a loaded gun into boiling oil will it go off on it's own? Also making a canon out of ice.

Also, if you jump into water, can the bullets still get you? How far bullets traveled underwater was pretty interesting.

SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 13:36:
I got excited for a second I thought they were going to try rocket wall jumping.
Ah well.

Heh, that would have been fun to see.

Cutter wrote on Jan 26, 2015, 13:31:
This show was interesting for a season or two but it jumped the shark long ago. This is just silly now. Then again, Discovery is turning into a steaming pile of crap like A&E did.

Discovery turned into a pile of crap a decade ago.