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  • Dark Quest is now available on Steam, offering a turned-based fantasy adventure/RPG "where players assume the role of a mighty barbarian on his epic quest to destroy the forces of the evil sorcerer and save the land from evil."…
  • The Sex Games That Steam Censors. NSFW…
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Interesting stance by Valve.
Tits=censored, extremely graphic
Blowing someone's head off = all good
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Jan 21, 2015, 20:43
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SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 20:23:
Interesting stance by Valve.
Tits=censored, extremely graphic
Blowing someone's head off = all good
Welcome to America! We'll sell you a shotgun, all the booze you can drink and a really graphic video game in which you stomp some guys head in. But don't you dare try and see a boob.

That being said don't people know the internet is for porn and Blue's News?
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Rape-Lay was *awesome*.

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Jan 21, 2015, 21:11
 
I wonder how much of that is Gaben and how much it is Valve not wanting to piss off the various levels of government, censor boards, religious groups, etc. I'd tend to believe they do this simply because it's easier than dealing with the static they'd get over uncensored sex games. Everytime something like JJ's nip-slip occurs and mainstream America and the media go into a rabid frenzy about how terrible it is and the sky is falling, the rest of the world just sits there and shakes it collective head in disbelief.
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Dammit Valve, how are people going to easily get their anime porn games with your crazy censorship!?

The classic American Sex/Violence double standard is alive and well.

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Jan 21, 2015, 21:24
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I think the problem here is that the games depict minors.
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Jan 21, 2015, 22:31
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Jan 21, 2015, 22:31
 
I came here to talk about Dark Quest, but no one is discussing it. So disappointing.

Funny comments from that article:

So Steam doesn't want to be steamy. Hmmm.
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Am I the only one that thinks it's hilarious that the images in the article about Steam censoring porn games are *literally* censored with steam? (in order to get Steam to accept them)
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Jan 21, 2015, 22:53
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I'd imagine it has more to do to the ease at which minors would have access to the material and some laws/legal issues they don't want to run aground. That's my guess at least, I don't see them being too concerned about it otherwise. And as dumb as our country's obsession is with censoring tits and glorifying violence, it's not worth fighting over some anime porn. At least not from a business perspective.
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Jan 21, 2015, 23:58
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Jan 21, 2015, 23:58
 
Yeah it's most definitely, valve not wanting to deal with the groups who would go bat-sh*t crazy. I can't blame valve for not wanting to deal with that potential cluster f**k of a situation.

Though I would be ROFLMFAO if they pulled Gabe to a congressional hearing and call him the next Larry Flint.
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Jan 22, 2015, 04:15
 
LurkerLito wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 23:58:
Yeah it's most definitely, valve not wanting to deal with the groups who would go bat-sh*t crazy. I can't blame valve for not wanting to deal with that potential cluster f**k of a situation.

Though I would be ROFLMFAO if they pulled Gabe to a congressional hearing and call him the next Larry Flint.

Yeah, the GOVERNMENT is MAKING Gabe censor these games, because if he didn't, then they would DO ... something.

Bullshit.

Make excuses for Valve all you want, it's just the same old hypocritical morality we always get here in the good O'l Christian USA.

Game celebrating the mass murder of innocent civilians?

A-OKAY! Gabe will PERSONALLY approve that one.

Exposed female breasts?

Oh no, we can't have that. Some things just can't be tolerated.

Same bullshit Facebook used to pull where you could post pictures of decapitated bodies and it's ... A-OKAY!

Some mom posts a picture of herself breast-feeding her newborn infant?

Oh no, we can't have that. Some things are just morally unacceptable.

It's a bullshit double-standard and people should stop making up bullshit reasons in an attempt to excuse it. The "government" didn't make Gabe and/or Valve do shit.

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The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 04:27:
The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.

Steam has an age check. Any game with violence requires it just to get to the summary page for the game. Not sure what you're talking about? And if you want to purchase the game, you need a credit card of course, which requires you to be 18.
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 05:07:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 04:27:
The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.

Steam has an age check. Any game with violence requires it just to get to the summary page for the game. Not sure what you're talking about? And if you want to purchase the game, you need a credit card of course, which requires you to be 18.

Nah, you don't need a CC for steam (and never did) and the pick-your-age landing page is not an age verification at all.

What is needed for uncensored games is a system to VERIFY a users age. Otherwise Steam would be breaking law in the EU. Which is a thing Steam has to think about considering half it's business is outside the US.
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jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 05:07:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 04:27:
The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.

Steam has an age check. Any game with violence requires it just to get to the summary page for the game. Not sure what you're talking about? And if you want to purchase the game, you need a credit card of course, which requires you to be 18.

There are retail steam gift cards and you can also use virtual CCs. It also supports debit in some countries.
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Didn't you have to put your age in when creating a Steam account?
Edit: never mind it doesn't ask you, and also everyone can put whatever age they want in there anyways.
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 06:38:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 05:07:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 04:27:
The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.

Steam has an age check. Any game with violence requires it just to get to the summary page for the game. Not sure what you're talking about? And if you want to purchase the game, you need a credit card of course, which requires you to be 18.

Nah, you don't need a CC for steam (and never did) and the pick-your-age landing page is not an age verification at all.

What is needed for uncensored games is a system to VERIFY a users age. Otherwise Steam would be breaking law in the EU. Which is a thing Steam has to think about considering half it's business is outside the US.

What kind of electronic age verification works internationally?
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Orogogus wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 15:26:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 06:38:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 05:07:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 04:27:
The real reason is that Steam refuses to implement an age check, something we've been complaining about for what seems like a decade now.

Either way, from what I hear any of the mentioned games have more or less official uncensor patches flying about. Nekopara certainly had when it released (hosted on MEGA). And once you see what was censored it makes sense that they couldn't sell that on a store without a age check.

Steam has an age check. Any game with violence requires it just to get to the summary page for the game. Not sure what you're talking about? And if you want to purchase the game, you need a credit card of course, which requires you to be 18.

Nah, you don't need a CC for steam (and never did) and the pick-your-age landing page is not an age verification at all.

What is needed for uncensored games is a system to VERIFY a users age. Otherwise Steam would be breaking law in the EU. Which is a thing Steam has to think about considering half it's business is outside the US.

What kind of electronic age verification works internationally?

And there, you see, is the problem It would be a hodgepodge of national solutions, but either that or censorship.
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 23, 2015, 00:31:
Orogogus wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 15:26:
What kind of electronic age verification works internationally?

And there, you see, is the problem It would be a hodgepodge of national solutions, but either that or censorship.

I get that. But you seem kind of mad at Valve for not having an electronic age verification ("Steam refuses to implement an age check", "we've been complaining about"), when it seems to me that it would be practically impossible without making purchases ridiculously difficult and intrusive.

Like, even if it were US-only, I don't know how they could do that without 1) having way more access than they should have to government databases, 2) making something ridiculously easy to bypass (attach a scan of your driver's license!), or 3) making purchases more difficult than they have to be (credit card only, show up in person to confirm electronic transactions, etc.).

Internationally it would be completely absurd. If they had that kind of capability then they'd obviously be an intelligence agency front masquerading as a video game company.
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Orogogus wrote on Jan 23, 2015, 01:03:
eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 23, 2015, 00:31:
Orogogus wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 15:26:
What kind of electronic age verification works internationally?

And there, you see, is the problem It would be a hodgepodge of national solutions, but either that or censorship.

I get that. But you seem kind of mad at Valve for not having an electronic age verification ("Steam refuses to implement an age check", "we've been complaining about"), when it seems to me that it would be practically impossible without making purchases ridiculously difficult and intrusive.

Like, even if it were US-only, I don't know how they could do that without 1) having way more access than they should have to government databases, 2) making something ridiculously easy to bypass (attach a scan of your driver's license!), or 3) making purchases more difficult than they have to be (credit card only, show up in person to confirm electronic transactions, etc.).

Internationally it would be completely absurd. If they had that kind of capability then they'd obviously be an intelligence agency front masquerading as a video game company.

In Germany it's actually illegal to copy your passport... ;p Anyway I am not saying it would be easy, but if not Steam then who has the market power to do this? Steam simply needs to partner with the national level systems that are in place for this, it's not like US/Germany/France/England don't have that already in place, tons of online shops verify your age here when you buy adult only stuff.

I am not mad at Steam, I am just tired of people thinking Steam has some kind of agenda here, the censorship steam pushes for is needed to obey laws for selling games without proper age verification and only having that could ever actually lead to a *free* store. As it is Steam competes with piracy and every censored game drives thousands of people to the illegal alternatives (if only to get an decensor patch).

That said, verifying age is very easy in Germany.... passport shows your age ;p And you don't even *have* a (real) passport unless you are 18. So the solution here is a physical location (Deutsche Post related) where you register once, and where steam can ask "does this dude have the age to access this?" and done. Could be done 100% anonymous. Now that is a German only solution, but when there isn't a global alternative then Steam simply has to use the national services.... it would not make them into the NSA of GAMES That said, Steam likely knows more about you than the NSA.
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eRe4s3r wrote on Jan 23, 2015, 03:00:
In Germany it's actually illegal to copy your passport... ;p Anyway I am not saying it would be easy, but if not Steam then who has the market power to do this? Steam simply needs to partner with the national level systems that are in place for this, it's not like US/Germany/France/England don't have that already in place, tons of online shops verify your age here when you buy adult only stuff.

I can't speak to other countries, but in the US there is very, very little verification. It's up to the shipper to arrange for the deliveryperson to confirm age of the receiver upon receipt; companies shipping cigarettes & alcohol get caught in sting operations all the time for not even doing that.

That said, verifying age is very easy in Germany.... passport shows your age ;p And you don't even *have* a (real) passport unless you are 18. So the solution here is a physical location (Deutsche Post related) where you register once, and where steam can ask "does this dude have the age to access this?" and done. Could be done 100% anonymous. Now that is a German only solution, but when there isn't a global alternative then Steam simply has to use the national services.... it would not make them into the NSA of GAMES That said, Steam likely knows more about you than the NSA.

If you're giving a company your name, birthday and passport I think that's 75% anonymous at best.

Again, I don't think the US has anything similar. Minors can get "real" passports, although they need a parent/guardian present at time of application. Drivers licenses are administered by the states. And it's frankly intrusive to require this kind of documentation to buy games, just so we can comply with someone else's censorship laws.

And that's to say nothing of the idea of Valve setting up and manning physical kiosks across the world for this sole purpose. I mean, come on.
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