SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 10:30:

wtf_man wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 10:20:
It's not paranoia. It's not wanting to "become the product". I'm getting sick and fucking tired of all the data-mining / selling my info without my permission (or not given a choice).

I want the option to pay for a product without becoming the product.

You do understand every single company that provides you services does that right?
Starting from you ISP to your bank, cellular, Google, Steam, etc etc.
Sure go off the grid use MS DOS or something if you want, but these days you pretty much have to live like a cavemen to stop the data collection.
Unless you have something to hide I don't see the big deal

Edit: I am not supporting data mining I am just saying if you are using the internet or have a cell phone Win10 is the least of your worries when it comes to data mining.
You can always disconnect the network cable from your pc, can't do that with your bank account or ISP.
At the end of the day it is more pain in the ass to try to be "invisible" than what it's worth, unless you have something to hide.

We all have something to hide.

Also, there are other societies in history that kept dossiers on all their citizens. I'm not sure we want to emulate them: Nazi Germany, The Soviets, Communist East Germany, Communist China, etc.

I know it is too early to determine this but don't you think if it is possible to enable/disable certain "features" or apps on your cell phone to stop or control the data collection, than it would be possible to do that on an OS?
We'll see I guess.

Thanks to the OS I run on my smartphone I actually have pretty tight control over what it disseminates. Just because you sacrifice privacy in one area of your life doesn't mean people are willing to do that everywhere either. Heck I do very little that I care about others knowing on my phone as compared to my computer so I would worry more about the OS.

You do make a good point about banking activities and whatnot though. You can't really escape it but I don't think that means just accepting it either.

wtf_man wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 10:20:
It's not paranoia. It's not wanting to "become the product". I'm getting sick and fucking tired of all the data-mining / selling my info without my permission (or not given a choice).

I want the option to pay for a product without becoming the product.

You do understand every single company that provides you services does that right?
Starting from you ISP to your bank, cellular, Google, Steam, etc etc.
Sure go off the grid use MS DOS or something if you want, but these days you pretty much have to live like a cavemen to stop the data collection.
Unless you have something to hide I don't see the big deal

Edit: I am not supporting data mining I am just saying if you are using the internet or have a cell phone Win10 is the least of your worries when it comes to data mining.
You can always disconnect the network cable from your pc, can't do that with your bank account or ISP.
At the end of the day it is more pain in the ass to try to be "invisible" than what it's worth, unless you have something to hide.

This comment was edited on Jan 22, 2015, 10:45.

SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 08:16:
If you are paranoid about spyware and stuff I think Win10 is the least of your worries.

Why is that? Consider how many different user metrics you can datamine with an operating system. That data has significant value.

I don't think paranoia has anything to do with it either and even if it did, the Snowden debacle proved that sometimes its justified.

SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 08:16:

Julio wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 06:25:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 01:11:

Julio wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 17:25:
They'll pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands. This "offer" just shows that Windows 10 is going to be crap. Microsoft has no confidence in it.

It could be purely financial: the cost of giving it away free and not having to support Win 7, 8, & 8.1 anymore is cheaper than having to support all of those and Win 10 well into the future.

Well it would definitely work for Win 8, I can't see anyone keeping that over Win 10. But given the news that Win 10 is going to include a lot of spyware/cloud type applications...who knows.

If you are paranoid about spyware and stuff I think Win10 is the least of your worries.

It's not paranoia. It's not wanting to "become the product". I'm getting sick and fucking tired of all the data-mining / selling my info without my permission (or not given a choice).

I want the option to pay for a product without becoming the product.

...ionno that cortana bitch just sounds like she's scheming against me, i can hear it in her voice...

Julio wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 06:25:

jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 01:11:

Julio wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 17:25:
They'll pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands. This "offer" just shows that Windows 10 is going to be crap. Microsoft has no confidence in it.

It could be purely financial: the cost of giving it away free and not having to support Win 7, 8, & 8.1 anymore is cheaper than having to support all of those and Win 10 well into the future.

Well it would definitely work for Win 8, I can't see anyone keeping that over Win 10. But given the news that Win 10 is going to include a lot of spyware/cloud type applications...who knows.

If you are paranoid about spyware and stuff I think Win10 is the least of your worries.

jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2015, 01:11:

Julio wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 17:25:
They'll pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands. This "offer" just shows that Windows 10 is going to be crap. Microsoft has no confidence in it.

It could be purely financial: the cost of giving it away free and not having to support Win 7, 8, & 8.1 anymore is cheaper than having to support all of those and Win 10 well into the future.

Well it would definitely work for Win 8, I can't see anyone keeping that over Win 10. But given the news that Win 10 is going to include a lot of spyware/cloud type applications...who knows.

SpectralMeat wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 19:26:

Saboth wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 19:20:
If Windows 10 is like $20 a year, sure. If it's like $10-$20 a month, F that noise. As others have said, I'm tired of getting nickle and dimed to death.

I posted a link earlier in this thread clarifying the subscription confusion
In short there is no such thing, and never will be according to MS

Yup, good to know. Glad they clarified since they'd introduced some confusion in their initial announcement. Funny that there's so little trust of MS that if there's a question, people assume the worst.

Julio wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 17:25:
They'll pry Windows 7 from my cold dead hands. This "offer" just shows that Windows 10 is going to be crap. Microsoft has no confidence in it.

It could be purely financial: the cost of giving it away free and not having to support Win 7, 8, & 8.1 anymore is cheaper than having to support all of those and Win 10 well into the future.

Ozmodan wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 17:41:
I upgraded to Windows 8.1 when it came out and after a little adjustment period, I like it better than 7.

I think this is a good deal, mainly because Windows 10 will be more secure than Windows 7. If you are running 7, you should give serious consideration to the upgrade when it becomes available.

How do you figure out how secure an operating system is before it's released? The only way to know is way after it gets released. In other words looking back on it. Think about it.

Julio wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 21:50:

wtf_man wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 20:52:
Wow... the phone home crap is just getting ridiculous. I don't want One Drive storing / synching my shit, nor "Bing search" on everything embedded in Windows, nor Cortana telling MS everything I'm doing.

One Drive is a complete POS. So is Bing search. Hopefully they get hit by antitrust for bundling crapware.

I used bing once - didn't have a choice was a fresh install and was searching for chrome. Not realising the Ads took up half the Bing search page and being tired I promptly installed malware on my daughters PC <5 mins after it booted to windows the first time.

Woot now I can play Ryse in it's proper cinematic 900p on my 1440p monitor - thank god I don't have to put up with my PC being faster and a better resolution anymore.

Once again, for clarity, it will not be subscription based.

wtf_man wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 20:52:
Wow... the phone home crap is just getting ridiculous. I don't want One Drive storing / synching my shit, nor "Bing search" on everything embedded in Windows, nor Cortana telling MS everything I'm doing.

One Drive is a complete POS. So is Bing search. Hopefully they get hit by antitrust for bundling crapware.

Ludomancer wrote on Jan 21, 2015, 20:58:
We're already well done fucked. We had so many opportunities to fight this, but people are too eager to chase carrots on sticks and play games using the latest DirectX. The last chance we had to stop this shit would have been around the WinNT/Win98 era.

At what point can we start referring to the ignorant, general public as "Proles"?

Latest DX is free. I'm not complaining.

Microsuck BLOWS

We're already well done fucked. We had so many opportunities to fight this, but people are too eager to chase carrots on sticks and play games using the latest DirectX. The last chance we had to stop this shit would have been around the WinNT/Win98 era.

At what point can we start referring to the ignorant, general public as "Proles"?

Wow... the phone home crap is just getting ridiculous. I don't want One Drive storing / synching my shit, nor "Bing search" on everything embedded in Windows, nor Cortana telling MS everything I'm doing.

Better be an easy way to SHUT all of these so called *SERVICES* off!