Op Ed

Ten Ton Hammer - Star Citizen's $2,500 Ship of Dreams.
"CIG claims that the ships price was ABOVE RETAIL to help FUND the $20 starter packs that were also of limited quantity. Basically, players "donating" $2,500 to the glorious cause were helping to fund starter packs that were half off of their $40 normal price tag. So basically, you give CIG $2,500 and they give you a ship, with no weapons or equipment (an empty hull), and at the same time you're helping them discount A VIRTUAL GOOD by HALF OFF. Even big box retailers are nicer than that. They don't say, "okay everyone buying these Skylander characters above retail will help us discount the physical starter kit to get more people addicted!" No, they just discount things, because they want them to sale.

CIG could just as easily went and discounted the package. The game is paid for now. There is no need for additional development resources. The game WILL NOT consumer the current budget, considering they just got in TWO DAYS what most game developers need to finish THEIR FULL PROJECTS START TO FINISH. They got basically the SAME AMOUNT they asked for to even make the game originally from their Kickstarter, this time without Kickstarter fees."

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Dec 4, 2014, 13:16
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Dec 4, 2014, 13:16
 
Creston wrote on Dec 3, 2014, 18:47:
Evil Timmy wrote on Dec 3, 2014, 12:21:
Man, I'll bet Derek Smart is kicking himself for not working on the BC/UC series. He could have made All The Money first and never have to actually come through on his undeliverable promises. So, if he hasn't discovered it yet, everyone hush and don't spoil it by telling him that Kickstarter is a thing that exists. He might rupture an ego.

Except of course Chris Roberts had made Wing Commander previously, whereas Derek Smart comes from a history where he just called everyone a cunt online.

I'm not sure the same fame is there.

I LOL'd that pretty hard.
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Dec 3, 2014, 18:47
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Dec 3, 2014, 18:47
 
Evil Timmy wrote on Dec 3, 2014, 12:21:
Man, I'll bet Derek Smart is kicking himself for not working on the BC/UC series. He could have made All The Money first and never have to actually come through on his undeliverable promises. So, if he hasn't discovered it yet, everyone hush and don't spoil it by telling him that Kickstarter is a thing that exists. He might rupture an ego.

Except of course Chris Roberts had made Wing Commander previously, whereas Derek Smart comes from a history where he just called everyone a cunt online.

I'm not sure the same fame is there.
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Dec 3, 2014, 12:32
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Dec 3, 2014, 12:32
 
Flatline wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 17:24:

I can just see the giant gilded cock & balls drifting gracefully through space.

You are describing the ship from the SF novel Venus on the Half Shell.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 3, 2014, 12:21
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Dec 3, 2014, 12:21
 
Man, I'll bet Derek Smart is kicking himself for not working on the BC/UC series. He could have made All The Money first and never have to actually come through on his undeliverable promises. So, if he hasn't discovered it yet, everyone hush and don't spoil it by telling him that Kickstarter is a thing that exists. He might rupture an ego.
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Dec 3, 2014, 11:56
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Dec 3, 2014, 11:56
 
peteham wrote on Dec 3, 2014, 04:10:
jdreyer wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 12:29:
Meh, I don't really understand this rant. People buying this crap know that they're just donating to the game. Anyone blowing $2500 on this stuff can most likely afford to do so.
I wouldn't care where people put their money if this was primarily a single player game. But since this is now clearly an MMO first and foremost, it creates the valid concern that the game is going to be massively pay to win. I know they keep claiming it won't be, and that there's no "best ship/weapon" blah blah, but so do all other F2P games and fans. And we know how that is never quite true. Paying up always gives you some advantage unless we're talking purely cosmetic items, which clearly, these items are not. Hell, the game isn't even F2P. Personally, a game where I would have to grind a thousand hours to get something whereas some other guy may have just paid up to cut corners and get it instantly (and a lot earlier), doesn't appeal to me one bit. Planetside 2 comes to mind.

What was the funding amount following the original funding campaign again? $7-10 mill or something around there? Meaning they've raked in 50+ million dollars since then. Does anyone truly think people would be coughing up this much cash if they were selling hats, even with the additional motive of funding the game? It's the vague promise of having an advantage when the game launches that really pushes people over the edge. Allegedly, these ships will be obtainable through play as well, but really, how many hours of grinding are we talking to justify a $2500 ship? Sounds like "way out of range for 99.9% of the player base"-territory to me. Otherwise they'd just be pissing all over their backers.

The way I see it, Star Citizen is going to have a very real image problem when it comes to attracting regular players. With good reason.

Point taken. However if the game is good all they have to do for me is follow through with the promise of player run servers, then all the above about ftp advantages goes right out the window. I'll make my own world. IMO that is still pc'ing at it's finest, user run servers.
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 3, 2014, 08:44
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Dec 3, 2014, 08:44
 
Julio wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:12:
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.

Don't worry, these options will be given soon enough since the $2500 ship sold out within seconds...
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 3, 2014, 04:10
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Dec 3, 2014, 04:10
 
jdreyer wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 12:29:
Meh, I don't really understand this rant. People buying this crap know that they're just donating to the game. Anyone blowing $2500 on this stuff can most likely afford to do so.
I wouldn't care where people put their money if this was primarily a single player game. But since this is now clearly an MMO first and foremost, it creates the valid concern that the game is going to be massively pay to win. I know they keep claiming it won't be, and that there's no "best ship/weapon" blah blah, but so do all other F2P games and fans. And we know how that is never quite true. Paying up always gives you some advantage unless we're talking purely cosmetic items, which clearly, these items are not. Hell, the game isn't even F2P. Personally, a game where I would have to grind a thousand hours to get something whereas some other guy may have just paid up to cut corners and get it instantly (and a lot earlier), doesn't appeal to me one bit. Planetside 2 comes to mind.

What was the funding amount following the original funding campaign again? $7-10 mill or something around there? Meaning they've raked in 50+ million dollars since then. Does anyone truly think people would be coughing up this much cash if they were selling hats, even with the additional motive of funding the game? It's the vague promise of having an advantage when the game launches that really pushes people over the edge. Allegedly, these ships will be obtainable through play as well, but really, how many hours of grinding are we talking to justify a $2500 ship? Sounds like "way out of range for 99.9% of the player base"-territory to me. Otherwise they'd just be pissing all over their backers.

The way I see it, Star Citizen is going to have a very real image problem when it comes to attracting regular players. With good reason.
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Dec 3, 2014, 02:42
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Dec 3, 2014, 02:42
 
loomy wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 15:24:

also: star citizen will be in development for a decade! the scope is huge and they have ~10 inexperienced teams working on it. they need as much money as they can get.


Ahahahahahhahahahah, oh wont you please defend CR and crew some more. Please. Wait I need to wipe the tears off my face first....

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Dec 2, 2014, 20:40
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Dec 2, 2014, 20:40
 
Flatline wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 17:24:
Julio wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:12:
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.

I can just see the giant gilded cock & balls drifting gracefully through space.

I think if someone's got the cash to invest, CIG might listen. Why not? They just couldn't lift the superman ships
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Dec 2, 2014, 18:29
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Dec 2, 2014, 18:29
 
I updated the game yesterday (after several months) and tried it out for few minutes. It really has progressed quite a bit in that time. The hangar and flight sections both run pretty well. I'll find my old Sidewinder2 and try the flight section again. I was on 2560x1440 at very-high graphic settings.

Really looking forward to Squadron-42 (the single-player campaign).
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Dec 2, 2014, 18:28
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Dec 2, 2014, 18:28
 
Flatline wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 17:24:
Julio wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:12:
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.

I can just see the giant gilded cock & balls drifting gracefully through space.

Oh for sure you know someone would do that. However, more cooly, imagine doing something like Red Dwarf.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Re: Op Ed
Dec 2, 2014, 17:24
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Dec 2, 2014, 17:24
 
Julio wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:12:
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.

I can just see the giant gilded cock & balls drifting gracefully through space.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:58
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Re: Op Ed Dec 2, 2014, 16:58
Dec 2, 2014, 16:58
 
He can have all the goals he wants but people are stupid to keep throwing money at without even seeing a complete core game first. Buying things sight unseen usually doesn't end well for the consumer. Deliver a good core product and I can't blame you for buying all the bells and whistles afterward, beyond that you're a fool. Hence the maxim 'Fools and their money are soon parted.'

In fact, their theme song should be Def Leppard's Foolin' or Zep's Fool in the Rain or Teh Beatles Fool on the Hill.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:52
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:52
 
Mr. Tact wrote on Dec 1, 2014, 16:01:
CJ_Parker wrote on Nov 30, 2014, 20:28:
- The Javelin destroyer sale at $2500 per ship. There were four lots of 50 ships each to give people in different timezones a chance to get one. Each lot sold out in seconds, of course, so that was $2500 x 200 = $500K alone.
Okay, I played WoW for 6.5 years and that cost me over $1,000 in subscription fees, plus the collector's versions I bought, plus I spent more doing races changes and some server moves. Yet, even I think $2,500 for a virtual ship is crazy.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:39
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:39
 
Julio wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:12:
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.

That's what I'm saving up for: $20K for the Star Citizen equivalent of the Star Destroyer.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:37
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:37
 
ShadyPete wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 14:53:
Verno wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 11:22:
I don't understand why people keep throwing money at this game and I suspect they don't know the reason either.

because in space.. a moron and his money oxygen are still easily parted

Fixed.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:24
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:24
 
Eirikrautha wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 16:13:
Creston wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 12:55:
It's so far from the concept of how a crowd-funded game should work, it really shouldn't even be called that anymore.

The term you are looking for is "Ponzi scheme"...


A ponzi scheme is a very specific scam that, even if you feel this is a scam, isn't even slightly related to how this may be a scam.

There is nothing pyramid-esque about this. At worst, it's CIG stealing your money. It isn't the Kickstarter patrons making enormous returns.
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:13
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:13
 
Creston wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 12:55:
It's so far from the concept of how a crowd-funded game should work, it really shouldn't even be called that anymore.

The term you are looking for is "Ponzi scheme"...

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Dec 2, 2014, 16:12
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Dec 2, 2014, 16:12
 
$2,500 is too low. Where's the options for $10k, $20k, even design a custom ship for custom pricing?

So much more room to fleece those who want to pay to win.
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Dec 2, 2014, 15:48
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Dec 2, 2014, 15:48
 
panbient wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 15:36:
[VG]Reagle wrote on Dec 2, 2014, 14:22:
Hahahahaha it will still be the same hooks and yaughts I predicted last year.

Dude... spell it with me - Y-A-C-H-T - yacht. For someone who keeps using the word you should really learn how to spell it correctly once and for all.

He could also apply for a job at Ten Ton Hammer.
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