Out of the Blue

I've been getting around pretty well on my twice-sprained ankle thanks to some help from a neoprene brace. The itch of healing is starting to make me nuts because it's below the skin, but it also hasn't healed up enough to put it through much without a brace, and I can't really say when I'll get past this point, as the last time I had a high ankle sprain it took ages to recover, and I was much younger at the time. Actually, if I'm smart, I'll continue to wear the brace for a while after it's no longer a necessity, since it helps remind me to be careful on it. Besides, I think the orthopedic look is in this year.

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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 13, 2014, 09:21
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Nov 13, 2014, 09:21
 
Prez wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 20:34:
20k is nothing. And that's only the very old and very young.

I am dreading another one like the 1918 Spanish Influenza that effectively ended WW1. It killed healthy and strong young men the most. Oh wait, no I'm not - I'm totally unhealthy and old so I would be safe. Never mind.

The situation is clear, drink more beer.
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Nov 13, 2014, 09:16
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Nov 13, 2014, 09:16
 
I got the flu shot for the first time last year bc of our newborn at the time. I have had the flu 3-4 times in my life, and it knocks me out for over a week, sometimes 2.

If you were sick for "only 2 days" sorry to tell you sir, that was not the flu. (if it was, you are some sort of mutant super human)

This comment was edited on Nov 13, 2014, 10:47.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 13, 2014, 08:42
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 13, 2014, 08:42
Nov 13, 2014, 08:42
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 20:23:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 19:36:
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

Can you imagine the Millions per death spent on Ebola vs the nothing spent on the 20,000+ that die every year from the flu? Something something great intentions something something missed the mark something something......

20k is nothing. And that's only the very old and very young. I've had the flu twice in my life and both times was down for only 2 or 3 days. Hell last time was about a decade ago, and it was on a weekend so I only actually missed one day of work. And a good friend of my mom's was one of those people who took the vaccine and got paralyzed. Spent years in therapy learning to walk again and all that. Fucking nightmare. And you also never hear about the billions the taxpayers pay for when that shit happens. If I recall it was almost 3 billion last year in the US. Thanks, but I'll chance getting the flu. And the government really needs to stop being so generous to Pharma with our money.


Never figured you for one of the anti vaxxers. Enonomics and Evil Big Pharma aside (and Im not being sarcastic, I really do feel they are in it for the money) do you really feel that vaccines are completely useless??
I have a nifty blue line!
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 20:34
Prez
 
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2014, 20:34
Nov 12, 2014, 20:34
 Prez
 
20k is nothing. And that's only the very old and very young.

I am dreading another one like the 1918 Spanish Influenza that effectively ended WW1. It killed healthy and strong young men the most. Oh wait, no I'm not - I'm totally unhealthy and old so I would be safe. Never mind.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
- Mahatma Gandhi
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 20:23
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2014, 20:23
Nov 12, 2014, 20:23
 
xXBatmanXx wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 19:36:
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

Can you imagine the Millions per death spent on Ebola vs the nothing spent on the 20,000+ that die every year from the flu? Something something great intentions something something missed the mark something something......

20k is nothing. And that's only the very old and very young. I've had the flu twice in my life and both times was down for only 2 or 3 days. Hell last time was about a decade ago, and it was on a weekend so I only actually missed one day of work. And a good friend of my mom's was one of those people who took the vaccine and got paralyzed. Spent years in therapy learning to walk again and all that. Fucking nightmare. And you also never hear about the billions the taxpayers pay for when that shit happens. If I recall it was almost 3 billion last year in the US. Thanks, but I'll chance getting the flu. And the government really needs to stop being so generous to Pharma with our money.

"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 20:22
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Nov 12, 2014, 20:22
 
Bats’ Link to Ebola Finally Solved.

I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!!!!
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Nov 12, 2014, 20:15
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Nov 12, 2014, 20:15
 
TheLeech wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 19:35:
Julio wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 17:54:
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

I question how they define "known". I suspect "known" = "what the government is willing to admit". At my local emergency room, the hospital employees are wearing tons of hazmat type gear. As if that would make a difference.

They totally have hundreds, if not thousands, of ebola-ridden people hidden away. They're just waiting to release them at the most opportune moment. Wake up sheeple!

So that's what the Denver Airport is for! Hiding all the people with ebola.

Watch out, Julio, they're coming for you, just like you've always suspected!
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 19:59
Prez
 
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Nov 12, 2014, 19:59
 Prez
 
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

I liked Stephen Colbert's coining it "EbolaPalooza".
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 19:36
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2014, 19:36
Nov 12, 2014, 19:36
 
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

Can you imagine the Millions per death spent on Ebola vs the nothing spent on the 20,000+ that die every year from the flu? Something something great intentions something something missed the mark something something......
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 19:35
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2014, 19:35
Nov 12, 2014, 19:35
 
Julio wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 17:54:
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

I question how they define "known". I suspect "known" = "what the government is willing to admit". At my local emergency room, the hospital employees are wearing tons of hazmat type gear. As if that would make a difference.

They totally have hundreds, if not thousands, of ebola-ridden people hidden away. They're just waiting to release them at the most opportune moment. Wake up sheeple!
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Nov 12, 2014, 18:37
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Nov 12, 2014, 18:37
 
GOG's fall sale has begun, with a couple of free games. One immediately, and another you have to visit once per day to get.
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Nov 12, 2014, 18:02
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Nov 12, 2014, 18:02
 
Cutter wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 17:26:
PHJF wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 15:06:
"Whip one together"? They aren't making PANCAKES. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

You're right. Pancakes take more time and cost more on a massive scale. They've had these vaccines for decades now. Innovation is just a few tweaks here and there to respond to bacterial mutations. Everything is mass-produced very cheaply overall. Companies like Glaxo, Novartis and Sanofi-Aventis are making $5-$10 billion a year - each - in profit on their vaccines alone. The good people at Aunt Jemima sure aren't making that kind of dough. There's nothing noble in any of this.

NYT Ebola Facts.

The NYT published that yesterday.

You know, given how anti-corporation and pro-conspiracy he is I'm surprised Cutter hasn't jumped on the whole "big pharma is funding the anti-vaxxor movement," which many people believe. Why?

Because Cutter is 100% incorrect and profit margins on vaccines have plummeted. Source 1. Source 2.

Not that facts ever stop Cutter.
And yes, it may be true that companies still make millions on vaccines. But here's what's important that so few people forget: companies don't care about profit in absolute numbers, they care about it in percentages. A company that makes $5 billion in profit off of $100 billion in sales will be considered less of an investment than one making $5 billion in profit off of $10 billion in sales. Go to any meeting at any company and they discuss percentages, not absolute figures.

Vaccines are not easy to develop, contrary to what Cutter thinks. See: Source 2 (The Economist article.)
And ebola vaccines haven't been sitting around.

And, importantly, no one will make billions off of a vaccine that only really matters in Western Africa, where no one has any money to spend on healthcare. The people can't pay for it individually. The governments can't pay for it. Aid workers and charities don't pay for it.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 17:54
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Re: Out of the Blue Nov 12, 2014, 17:54
Nov 12, 2014, 17:54
 
Verno wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 13:30:
There are no known Ebola cases in the U.S.

Hopefully this will finally put an end to discussions about unnecessary and economically damaging mass quarantines. The media fear mongering of this whole situation was absurd.

I question how they define "known". I suspect "known" = "what the government is willing to admit". At my local emergency room, the hospital employees are wearing tons of hazmat type gear. As if that would make a difference.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 17:26
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Nov 12, 2014, 17:26
 
PHJF wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 15:06:
"Whip one together"? They aren't making PANCAKES. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?

You're right. Pancakes take more time and cost more on a massive scale. They've had these vaccines for decades now. Innovation is just a few tweaks here and there to respond to bacterial mutations. Everything is mass-produced very cheaply overall. Companies like Glaxo, Novartis and Sanofi-Aventis are making $5-$10 billion a year - each - in profit on their vaccines alone. The good people at Aunt Jemima sure aren't making that kind of dough. There's nothing noble in any of this.

NYT Ebola Facts.

The NYT published that yesterday.
"Van Gogh painted alone and in despair and in madness and sold one picture in his entire life. Millions struggled alone, unrecognized, and struggled as heroically as any famous hero. Was it worthless? I knew it wasn't."
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 15:46
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Nov 12, 2014, 15:46
 Jivaro
 
As the kids would say...

I can't even.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 15:06
PHJF
 
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Nov 12, 2014, 15:06
 PHJF
 
"Whip one together"? They aren't making PANCAKES. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:50
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:50
 
Fair enough. But if it were so easy to come up with a working vaccine for ebola -- lord knows those tens of thousands of Africans have waited long enough! -- why wait to whip one together in less than six months following a global media scare campaign?
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:44
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:44
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:34:
Beamer wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:21:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:05:

At any rate, I hope those ebola vaccines fucking flop. Sadly, I'm not so sure they will...

Wait, what?
You hope something that could save the lives of tens of thousands of people in Africa flops?

Why would Johnson & Johnson give a fuck about helping people in Africa? It's gonna be at every Walgreens, CVS, and Rite-Aid in America and cost ten times more than your similarly-effective flu "vaccine" they already use to fleece people with twice a year. We have NO REASON to waste money on that shit. Maybe if it doesn't sell and a few years from now they have warehouses full of the junk, they'll send it overseas for a modicum of press exposure. It's not a cure, so I doubt it'll do anything, anyway.

Companies like J&J donate tens of thousands of vaccines to Africa. This has come up endlessly in our discussions about regionalized pricing and grey markets right here on this very board.

It's good all around to make money off of one group and give free to the other group. Make money off Americans traveling to Western Africa in need of vaccines, make money off stupid Americans believing O'Reilly and getting vaccines, give for free to Africans that genuinely need it.

Weird, truly, that your fear of corporations means you actively want tens of thousands of deaths.
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:34
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:34
 
Beamer wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:21:
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:05:

At any rate, I hope those ebola vaccines fucking flop. Sadly, I'm not so sure they will...

Wait, what?
You hope something that could save the lives of tens of thousands of people in Africa flops?

Why would Johnson & Johnson give a fuck about helping people in Africa? It's gonna be at every Walgreens, CVS, and Rite-Aid in America and cost ten times more than your similarly-effective flu "vaccine" they already use to fleece people with twice a year. We have NO REASON to waste money on that shit. Maybe if it doesn't sell and a few years from now they have warehouses full of the junk, they'll send it overseas for a modicum of press exposure. It's not a cure, so I doubt it'll do anything, anyway.
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Re: Out of the Blue
Nov 12, 2014, 14:21
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Nov 12, 2014, 14:21
 
jacobvandy wrote on Nov 12, 2014, 14:05:

At any rate, I hope those ebola vaccines fucking flop. Sadly, I'm not so sure they will...

Wait, what?
You hope something that could save the lives of tens of thousands of people in Africa flops?
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