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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 07:35
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 10, 2014, 07:35
Sep 10, 2014, 07:35
 
Squirmer wrote on Sep 10, 2014, 03:12:
The irony is that by trying to dismiss the writer's claim or downplay the issue, they are proving that there is indeed a cultural issue that needs to be addressed.

Same thing is happening with this gamergate stuff.

I don't feel that your comment is fair. In gaming it goes more like 'This isnt fair in regards to women!' and men converge on the article to point out that perhaps she is not taking something into context or acknowledging other areas where that isnt the case. The author then segues into something about threats and the whole conversation goes off the rails, conveniently letting her escape dealing with any of those points.

This comic sums it up nicely.
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 03:57
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Sep 10, 2014, 03:57
 
Squirmer wrote on Sep 10, 2014, 03:19:
In fairness, I do think the situation would be helped by more acknowledgement and understanding of why a lot of men feel they are being personally accused. (Also applies to gamergate.)

I think this acknowledgement needs to happen as well. However, let's be honest about how a lot of these issues are addressed: it's never about moderately bringing these things out and singling out these circumstances.

Oftentimes there are broad strokes used to paint it as a "rape culture", in which case it means that anyone who isn't actively decrying it is part of it. It's the exact trigger mechanism that all those gaming websites used with the "gamer is dead" assassination attempt.

The thing is, if I read a piece that broadly labels men in certain workplaces as "potential rapists" or "rape apologists" or "rape enablers" because I'm not actively on the side of a specific group, it then makes me feel as if I'm being labeled.

It also gives the impression to everyone else out there that those who aren't "in the group" are "against the group". This is exactly what we're seeing with the #GamerGate thing.

Worse yet is that it begins to influence people outside of that field, medium or subculture.

Someone who doesn't regularly play hardcore games came away from watching a series of Anita's videos on Tropes Vs Women and basically just wanted to argue down that games perpetuate "rape culture" and the industry was a dangerous and misogynistic place for women.

Now a lot of the people who take on the above viewpoint have issues of their own, but consider that these kind of videos and propaganda are creating this kind of result from people who don't know any better. It then means that people like myself either have to try to explain/defend that it isn't "either/or" or just stay silent to avoid being labeled as an enabler for "rape culture", which is mostly what happened to anyone who didn't agree with the notion that "gamers are dead".
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 03:19
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 10, 2014, 03:19
Sep 10, 2014, 03:19
 
In fairness, I do think the situation would be helped by more acknowledgement and understanding of why a lot of men feel they are being personally accused. (Also applies to gamergate.)
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 03:12
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 10, 2014, 03:12
Sep 10, 2014, 03:12
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 10, 2014, 00:47:
Squirmer wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 23:11:
He says he wants open dialog without any accusations and namecalling and then says

"So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims."

He's not making any accusations or namecalling, there is a swath of feminists who are doing exactly that. Hell I could walk onto any frosh here in Ontario this last weekend and seen it in full action. Extremist views like those don't deserve any recognition.

No it's the same problem with this whole "gamer" thing.

Look I'm not saying no one has ever voiced the opinion that he criticizes. But he implies that "men are inherently rapists" is the dominant discourse. It's just not, and anyone who thinks it is doesn't understand the issue.

The way it usually goes is this: A feminist writer describes a problem such as catcalling, or sexual harassment at work, or underreporting of rape, and suggests there's a cultural issue that needs to be addressed. Then men converge on the article and declare "But not all men do those things, I've never seen this happen, don't accuse me of this!" etc. Which is not at all what the writer did. It's those men who are lumping all men together, and then using themselves as proof that the writer's claim is wholly false.

The irony is that by trying to dismiss the writer's claim or downplay the issue, they are proving that there is indeed a cultural issue that needs to be addressed.

Same thing is happening with this gamergate stuff.
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 02:31
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 10, 2014, 02:31
Sep 10, 2014, 02:31
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Squirmer wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 23:11:
He says he wants open dialog without any accusations and namecalling and then says

"So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims."


I just appreciate that they bothered publishing an interview with someone anonymous who may or may not exist.

But whatever. Of course the final line you quote makes perfect sense, his game is about the horrors of false accusations. For every false accusation there's what, 1,000 unreported acts? 10,000? This board has absolutely loved the "shut up, women in Africa are dying, what are you doing about it" argument, which isn't remotely related. Rape and false rape accusations are related, though. One seems a significantly larger issue than the other and more deserving of this kind of investigation.

Swear to god it's amazing how conservative games have suddenly gotten. This interview comes within inches of using "libtard."
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 10, 2014, 02:25
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 10, 2014, 02:25
Sep 10, 2014, 02:25
 
Squirmer wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 23:11:
He says he wants open dialog without any accusations and namecalling and then says

"So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims."


Go onto the #GamerGate hashtag and see his quote in action.
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Sep 10, 2014, 00:47
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Sep 10, 2014, 00:47
 
Squirmer wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 23:11:
He says he wants open dialog without any accusations and namecalling and then says

"So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims."

He's not making any accusations or namecalling, there is a swath of feminists who are doing exactly that. Hell I could walk onto any frosh here in Ontario this last weekend and seen it in full action. Extremist views like those don't deserve any recognition.
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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 9, 2014, 23:11
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 9, 2014, 23:11
Sep 9, 2014, 23:11
 
He says he wants open dialog without any accusations and namecalling and then says

"So, excuse me if I don’t buy irrational feminists white and black ideas that men are inherently rapists and women are victims."

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Re: Evening Interviews
Sep 9, 2014, 22:24
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Re: Evening Interviews Sep 9, 2014, 22:24
Sep 9, 2014, 22:24
 
What a mess. The interview reminded me why I ignored "indie" "games."

Interest in "indie" "games" before this debacle: 10/100
Interest now: 1E-77/100


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