Op Ed

Tiny Little Frogs - Gamergate and the RPS response with Brad Wardell. Thanks Mashiki.
I think that’s all fine. But it seems like the gaming media can talk about things other than games without attacking their readers. The objection isn’t about whether there’s a discussion on whether murdering prostitutes should give you HP is a good for society or not. The objection is saying that people who play that game are bad people.

If we game a game that is offensive, then tell us. We can take it. To emphasize: Game developers have a tremendous level of respect for gaming sites like RPS. We trust you. Your candid article is great thing. I wish it had come out 3 weeks ago before the well was poisoned by a dozen+ “gamers are losers” articles.

Salon.com - “I want a straight white male gaming convention”: How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.
The sad thing is that even if you don’t believe that there is serious sexism in the gaming community, gamers do actually have serious reasons to be skeptical of their gaming press and developers. Game companies are nickel-and-diming consumers like never before, cutting out large sections of their games and selling them for full price while selling those add-ons for exorbitant fees. Meanwhile, Zoe Quinn may not be a real scandal, but game publishers and journalists who review games have gotten far too cozy – witness how Ubisoft gave an entire audience of journalists free tablets as they prepared to review its (in my opinion) fairly average game “Watch Dogs.”

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Sep 9, 2014, 09:46
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Sep 9, 2014, 09:46
 
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 09:57
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Sep 9, 2014, 09:57
 
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:05
Prez
 
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Re: Op Ed Sep 9, 2014, 10:05
Sep 9, 2014, 10:05
 Prez
 
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."

Yeah, I hate that term. It just sounds so melodramatic.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:06
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HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:57:
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

Just because you've not heard of something or not following it, doesn't mean others aren't commenting or following it.

"Self importance" indeed.

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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:09
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:09
 
nin wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:06:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:57:
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

Just because you've not heard of something or not following it, doesn't mean others aren't commenting or following it.

"Self importance" indeed.


Right, pull yourself into a bunch of none-sense and drama. Over here everyone... Look at me!

Feed it.

You don't see any opinion I have begging for attention, so stick your self importance back at me line.

Must be a bunch of home-schoolers waking up to life outside the house.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:10
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:10
 
Prez wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:05:
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."

Yeah, I hate that term. It just sounds so melodramatic.

Melodramatic you say?

NSFW: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Main_Page

The Internet feeds on drama.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:14
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:14
 nin
 
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:09:
nin wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:06:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:57:
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

Just because you've not heard of something or not following it, doesn't mean others aren't commenting or following it.

"Self importance" indeed.


Right, pull yourself into a bunch of none-sense and drama. Over here everyone... Look at me!

Feed it.

You don't see any opinion I have begging for attention, so stick your self importance back at me line.

Must be a bunch of home-schoolers waking up to life outside the house.


You don't see the irony in saying "Have not noticed a darn thing in my world" and then saying those other people are just self important?

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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:17
UHD
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Re: Op Ed Sep 9, 2014, 10:17
Sep 9, 2014, 10:17
UHD
 
Wait a minute hold the phone.

"Gamergate" is actually a thing? Like, that I'm expected to take seriously?...

The fuck?
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:22
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:22
 
nin wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:06:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:57:
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

Just because you've not heard of something or not following it, doesn't mean others aren't commenting or following it.

"Self importance" indeed.


Of the millions of "Gamers" out there, this "Gamergate" thing is the equivalent of 10 people fighting with 10 people. The vast majority of "gamers" don't know who Zoey Quinn is, nor do they care. Most never read gaming "news" sites.

My wife is a gamer. She doesn't know or care about any of this stuff.

The whole thing is a fantasy. The details are so hazy and not backed up by hard evidence that it's not even worth reading about. It's just a bunch of butthurt losers, and butthurt "journalists" who think they are celebrities.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:30
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:30
 
The Salon article comments are interesting to read because they are peppered with folks who I am describing (being a large, multi-interest site). Here's a choice example:

I'm a female gamer, and I've played World of Warcraft since it started in 2004. I've played multiple characters, mostly female, and in game, I've rescued everything from males, females, animals, or even inanimate objects--it doesn't seem to matter. While I'm sure someone could probably come up with something that is considered "sexist" in the game, as a woman, I don't feel threatened by any of the material. I play with my husband, and we always make toons that are complementary to one another...if he plays a melee class, I play a magic class and vice versa. We have a family guild and play with our three teenagers--when we go into dungeons, I'm the leader (because I'm the tank--decked out in full plate armor, my husband wears the robe--a healer.). I'm not familiar with the two women from this article, but I wonder what their take is on WoW. I don't really have any frame of reference with other games except Guild Wars (I quit this one because IMO, the play was too slow). But, my daughter LOVES the Zelda games and my sons seem to be stuck on Minecraft. For me, I play WoW for the lore. It's like reading a really great fantasy book, but actually going through the motions of the adventure yourself. It's a great way to unwind after a long day, and for us, it makes for some fun times as a family.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:30
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:30
 
nin wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:14:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:09:
nin wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:06:
HorrorScope wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:57:
How a culture war exploded in the video gaming world.

Have not noticed a darn thing in my world, seems like some people think they are a lot more important then they think they are.

RPS is one of my favorite game sites. RPS is not just “another game site”, they are very important to both game developers/publishers as well as gamers.

More self importance.

Just because you've not heard of something or not following it, doesn't mean others aren't commenting or following it.

"Self importance" indeed.


Right, pull yourself into a bunch of none-sense and drama. Over here everyone... Look at me!

Feed it.

You don't see any opinion I have begging for attention, so stick your self importance back at me line.

Must be a bunch of home-schoolers waking up to life outside the house.


You don't see the irony in saying "Have not noticed a darn thing in my world" and then saying those other people are just self important?


No because I don't feel what I post has any importance, nor am I trying to make people aware of it in any way other than a every day chat at Blue's, this is my water-tank. It is how I feel, but I know my place in all of this, bunch of blah blah.

In the end the masses won't take notice, seems like people trying any angle to make a name for themselves. I could be wrong about that, but I still don't care and feel like I shouldn't either. It screams personal agenda with the little bit I've seen.

Here is my solution to them. Start your own company, run it the way you like within the law and make the games you want to. Or start buying more games that don't offend you, to the point the industry takes notice and makes more of what you like. What is being made is what sells, the people speak daily with their wallets. Again, if this fits in any way to what is going on.

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Sep 9, 2014, 10:34
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:34
 
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
So does that mean every time the MSM puts "gate" to the end of something like bridegate, or whatever else it is less of an issue?
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:42
UHD
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:42
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Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:34:
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
So does that mean every time the MSM puts "gate" to the end of something like bridegate, or whatever else it is less of an issue?

No, it means "Watergate" was an actual scandal that had significant real-world consequences, whereas "Gamergate" is inconsequential and only has importance if you get mad when someone you don't know says something vague but negative about your preferred subculture.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:42
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:42
 
Save the drama for yo mama.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 9, 2014, 10:57
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Sep 9, 2014, 10:57
 Prez
 
I think Bluesgate has a nice ring to it. Now we just need a scandal of some kind to go with it. #Bluesgate
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:03
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:03
 
UHD wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:42:
No, it means "Watergate" was an actual scandal that had significant real-world consequences, whereas "Gamergate" is inconsequential and only has importance if you get mad when someone you don't know says something vague but negative about your preferred subculture.
So you mean that journalistic malfeasance that we've been seeing over the last two weeks doesn't have any real-world consequences? Would that be like journolist not being important as well, because already knew that reporters in the msm were colluding on stories.
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"For every human problem,
there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
--H.L. Mencken
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:08
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:08
 
UHD wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:42:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:34:
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
So does that mean every time the MSM puts "gate" to the end of something like bridegate, or whatever else it is less of an issue?

No, it means "Watergate" was an actual scandal that had significant real-world consequences, whereas "Gamergate" is inconsequential and only has importance if you get mad when someone you don't know says something vague but negative about your preferred subculture.

Watergate was little more than a Democratically controlled Congress hurling stones at a Republican president who won reelection over a Democrat by a wide margin. It was political clap-trap from day 1. "Gamergate," indeed, is even less--it is less than nothing.

It was really amusing--the liberal press as usual asking stupendously stupid questions, like: "Is this the end of the Republican party?" ...And then later Reagan & the Republicans take Congress and the Presidency, etc. When it comes to "stupid," nobody is dumber than liberal Democrats, imo...;) What morons! They are fantastically delusional.
It is well known that I cannot err--and so, if you should happen across an error in anything I have written you can be absolutely sure that *I* did not write it!...;)
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:20
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:20
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:34:
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
So does that mean every time the MSM puts "gate" to the end of something like bridegate, or whatever else it is less of an issue?

No, but it means they use it so often for such trivial shit that it's become meaningless.
In that way, it perfectly fits "gamergate," which in the grand scheme, is extremely trivial, but matters to the people it matters to (duh.)
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:23
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:23
 
WaltC wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 11:08:
UHD wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:42:
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:34:
Task wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 09:46:
I still laugh every time I see that word "Gamergate" as if its somehow anything 'like' Watergate. "One of these things is not like the other one."
So does that mean every time the MSM puts "gate" to the end of something like bridegate, or whatever else it is less of an issue?

No, it means "Watergate" was an actual scandal that had significant real-world consequences, whereas "Gamergate" is inconsequential and only has importance if you get mad when someone you don't know says something vague but negative about your preferred subculture.

Watergate was little more than a Democratically controlled Congress hurling stones at a Republican president who won reelection over a Democrat by a wide margin. It was political clap-trap from day 1. "Gamergate," indeed, is even less--it is less than nothing.

It was really amusing--the liberal press as usual asking stupendously stupid questions, like: "Is this the end of the Republican party?" ...And then later Reagan & the Republicans take Congress and the Presidency, etc. When it comes to "stupid," nobody is dumber than liberal Democrats, imo...;) What morons! They are fantastically delusional.

Oh, go eff yourself. If you have any recollection of the past 20 years, you are clearly the delusional one.
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:32
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Sep 9, 2014, 11:32
 
Beamer wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 11:20:
No, but it means they use it so often for such trivial shit that it's become meaningless.
In that way, it perfectly fits "gamergate," which in the grand scheme, is extremely trivial, but matters to the people it matters to (duh.)
Oh well then, I guess someone should let the other press folks know this. Chop chop, and get on the job. After all, it was that 'non-gaming journalism' group that started it all. Then again, if you believe that collusion, fake dmca requests, 'gaming journalists' writing the same articles with nearly the same content, and a list of other sundry things as 'is extremely trivial' then that' fine. But for someone who finds it as such, you sure do comment on it--often, in fact so often that you appear to actually have an invested stake in it.
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there is a neat, simple solution;
and it is always wrong."
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