InBlack wrote on Sep 10, 2014, 03:48:
SXO wrote on Sep 9, 2014, 10:39:
I wish more people would actually read/watch/listen to the actual things their criticizing and reasonably assessing what's actually going. I'm wondering how many commenting here actually read the RPS post.
Yeah I read it. I would even go so far as to agree with you on most of your points (and most of their points) but the fact of the matter remains that ALL gamers are not the minority of trolls but ALL gamers are very protective of their hobby and any attempts to smear or generalize opinion about them or their hobby. This is what Sarkesian and others tried to do, and when the minority of idiots lashed back at her the establishment overreacted and took a huge giant dump on the gaming community in general. For some reason developers and publishers are hugely hostile to the long time hobbyist gamer. They have been for years, and now this comes along and the hostility bubbles right up again.
Is it so hard for someone to say "We condemn the assholes who threaten death over the internet, but our games are ART and we stand with the majority of gamers who we believe are not represented by the minority of dickwads on the internet"??
I understand completely, but I think people up in arms over Sarkeesian are more responsible for giving her a bigger and bigger podium. As I said, I'm all for progressiveness and have been that way long
before all these "feminists" came out of the woodwork, but even when Anita's Kickstarter first came out, I could tell she wasn't going to be the proper voice for the so called "movement," so I just ignored her. I totally understand why so many people wanted to call her out, but all that did was allow the nutjobs in our community to fling their vitriol and make us look worse. Obviously that wasn't the intention of most people, they just took offense to someone who was using flawed arguments against their hobby. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously.
But the way forward is for us, the reasonable gamers, to stop allowing ourselves to have kneejerk reactions. The way we counter trolls in our community is to continue being level-headed and not allowing anger to fuel our actions or drive our decisions, otherwise it makes it harder for anyone outside our bubble to separate the two. Just as they should've been reasonable enough to understand there's a difference between the majority of us, and the trollish minority, we too should be able to say "Look, you need to stop lumping us together, but I get your point, and here is what I think." I think that's a more reasonable reaction than a lot of what I'm seeing (IMHO). Not accusing you personally of this, just making a general statement. And these discussions don't have to be had in one specific place. If RPS disables posts, whether it's because of discussions becoming toxic as they say (I believe them, I've seen it), or if it's really because they're afraid of discourse (doubtful, but I will not emphatically deny it's possible), it doesn't matter because the discussion can take place elsewhere (here for example).
I understand where the anger comes from on both sides. I also understand the fear some people have. Bottomline is I think if people on both sides of this imaginary line many have drawn would empathize more, it would lead to better understanding and less hostility.