Op Ed

Total Biscuit - Why you shouldn't be excited - A look at games media's role in hype. Thanks Ant via HARDOCP.
TotalBiscuit brings you a discussion video on the games media's involvement in hype campaigns for unreleased or in-development titles and the negative impact it has on the industry.

Rock, Paper, Shotgun - Videogames Are For Everybody. Thanks nin.
There has been criticism, too, which has resulted in gamers claiming that we hate them. We don’t hate gamers. We are gamers. Numerous (often offensive and widely incoherent) attempts to provoke controversy and scandal about the relationship between game developers and the games press have resulted in some people saying that RPS should be destroyed. Perhaps unsurprisingly, we disagree with that proposition, and we’ll explain why we disagree in this article.

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Sep 15, 2014, 07:51
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descender wrote on Sep 15, 2014, 00:43:
It's not that I don't get it, I just don't fucking care.

And yet you continue posting. Who are you trying to convince?
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Sep 15, 2014, 07:16
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Sep 15, 2014, 07:16
 
People around here get bullied all the time (the overall tone of your post would suggest you are quite a bit tone deaf yourself) for even mentioning or defending certain viewpoints. Blindly dismissing everyone as a "SJW" has been a trend around here and it should stop

No, blindly accepting these idiotic causes based on false premises is something that has been going on for awhile and that's what is stopping.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 15, 2014, 00:43
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Sep 15, 2014, 00:43
 
I know you just really want to be angry about this, and make sure everyone here knows how much you care that these people are taken to task (social injustice warrior?) but I think you missed the point of my post. It's not that I don't get it, I just don't fucking care. I don't read "video game journalism" as if such a thing could be anything but biased and utter nonsense...

You almost nailed it at the end. Call these people what they really are. Hypocrites, liars, bullies, frauds.

People around here get bullied all the time (the overall tone of your post would suggest you are quite a bit tone deaf yourself) for even mentioning or defending certain viewpoints. Blindly dismissing everyone as a "SJW" has been a trend around here and it should stop.
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Sep 14, 2014, 15:11
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Sep 14, 2014, 15:11
 
An interview with Daniel Vavra: GamerGate and the gaming industry

"The funny thing is, that when you ask actual female developers like Amy Hennig (of Uncharted fame), they will tell you they never had any problems. But the people who are constantly talking about this issue are journalists and bloggers who have never actually even worked at a gaming company.

And the funniest thing is, that when you look at how many women are actually working at those magazines criticizing gaming industry for sexism, you will realize that it’s the same as in gaming companies, 10-20% at most. Polygon has 21 editors and only 5 of them are women. And when you look at their audience it’s 80% men. What a sexist magazine!"
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Sep 14, 2014, 13:33
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descender wrote on Sep 14, 2014, 11:14:
Who actually gives a rats ass about any of this? A woman no one was listening to lied about something...

When its 'threats' against her, we're supposed to care. When it turns out she lied, we're not supposed to care. These people have been using the media to push their agendas so yes people were listening, look at all of their followers who were doxxing, DMCAing and using other bullshit to try to hide their lies. Look at a few members of this forum who try to deflect from the issues any time its exposed.

I'm not losing sleep over this but at the same time I do think its important that people hear the truth and that they do not blindly accept false premises.

The trend around here of stereotyping anyone with an opinion that even remotely sways from the white male dominated society we live in... really just makes you look ignorant.

Now you're changing the scope of things. 'white male dominated society'
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 14, 2014, 12:52
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descender wrote on Sep 14, 2014, 11:14:
Who actually gives a rats ass about any of this? A woman no one was listening to lied about something... Something that either no one seems willing to admit they actually care about or are going to flat out dismiss as "SJW nonsense".

Can we issue a moratorium on the use of the term "SJW"? As if striving for "social justice" or equality is something that should be frowned upon and mocked?

The trend around here of stereotyping anyone with an opinion that even remotely sways from the white male dominated society we live in... really just makes you look ignorant.

You obviously don't get it. "Social Justice" isn't the problem, it's the hypocrites who routinely hide behind it to bully those with differing opinions. They lie to get what they want and make as many people miserable in the process. Their justice is do as I say and not as I do. And I can safely assume you don't care about any of that since your mention of a "white male dominated society", a typical deflection term used by ignorant cowards.

Here's some alternatives for social justice warrior which I prefer. Let me know if they meet your approval, as if it really matters. Hypocrites. Liars. Bullies. Frauds.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 14, 2014, 11:14
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Sep 14, 2014, 11:14
 
Who actually gives a rats ass about any of this? A woman no one was listening to lied about something... Something that either no one seems willing to admit they actually care about or are going to flat out dismiss as "SJW nonsense".

Can we issue a moratorium on the use of the term "SJW"? As if striving for "social justice" or equality is something that should be frowned upon and mocked?

The trend around here of stereotyping anyone with an opinion that even remotely sways from the white male dominated society we live in... really just makes you look ignorant.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 14, 2014, 07:42
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Sep 14, 2014, 07:42
 
This being 4chan and all take it with a kilo of salt but if true it's very interesting nonetheless, since it does explain why the NeoGAF owner is so invested with the SJWs.

Also, Beamer, once again, stop being intellectually dishonest. The names I put in that picture are all the big names of the SJWs, many of them being the ones whose agenda's you keep preaching and who you keep saying are the ones "harassed".

Stop being intellectually dishonest though at this point I can see it's beyond you to just stop being a hypocrite.
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Sep 13, 2014, 22:10
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ASeven wrote on Sep 13, 2014, 18:26:
A bit of the love and tolerance some of the SJW big names preach, just for the fun of it.

Nothing we didn't know already but still, very sad.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 13, 2014, 20:59
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ASeven wrote on Sep 13, 2014, 18:26:
A bit of the love and tolerance some of the SJW big names preach, just for the fun of it.

I still don't get why this gets you off so much. It can easily be made about anything. It's morons on Twitter. Why do you love it so much?

I can find morons defending Ray Rice on Twitter. I can find morons claiming he needs to be killed on Twitter. Why do you repeatedly post morons saying things on Twitter?
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Sep 12, 2014, 18:06
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Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 09:33:
This is why its so difficult to take any feminism in gaming movement seriously. I can't sympathize with the issues when you're faking them and engaging in extremely dishonest behavior. It calls into question whether theres even a problem in the first place or if that is also a product of imagination. I certainly don't see rampant sexism in my gaming circles so to speak.

These people just seem to want attention, money and people to just accept their agendas blindly. Sorry but not happening, the veil has been pulled back.

It is kind of depressing how many dishonest editorials and all of the browbeating we've been subjected to put into this kind of context.

Which is why people have said people like Quin and Saekeesian hurt the cause of fighting sexism in games more than they help it. They have only done women gamers a disservice.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 12, 2014, 10:01
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Sep 12, 2014, 10:01
 
Verno wrote on Sep 12, 2014, 09:33:
This is why its so difficult to take any feminism in gaming movement seriously. I can't sympathize with the issues when you're faking them and engaging in extremely dishonest behavior. It calls into question whether theres even a problem in the first place or if that is also a product of imagination. I certainly don't see rampant sexism in my gaming circles so to speak.

These people just seem to want attention, money and people to just accept their agendas blindly. Sorry but not happening, the veil has been pulled back.

It is kind of depressing how many dishonest editorials and all of the browbeating we've been subjected to put into this kind of context.

Zoe Quinn is hiding behind a persona. She created the character of "Zoe Quinn" as the face for women's equality in video games. But it's all a lie. She's pretending to be a character living in a fantasy. Meanwhile dopey sympathizers from anonymous forum-goers to self described journalists who either believe her shit or have a part in the scam will find any way possible to deflect. They are so invested and fight to defend her honor. The reality is she's Chelsea Van Valkenburg, a spoiled girl from Toronto who tried her hand at porn, was too lazy or stupid to get a real job, and saw an opportunity to swindle naive gamers and took it. A true bastion for equality, right? Their house of cards is finally collapsing around them.

The people who keep trying to dismiss and deflect should be ashamed of themselves. We're all ashamed of you.

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Sep 12, 2014, 09:50
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Sep 12, 2014, 09:50
 
This pic may help understand the rabbit hole a bit better. Basically, it seems there's a lot of connected people who are related to the "Gamers are dead" movement. Coincidence?
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 12, 2014, 09:33
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Sep 12, 2014, 09:33
 Verno
 
This is why its so difficult to take any feminism in gaming movement seriously. I can't sympathize with the issues when you're faking them and engaging in extremely dishonest behavior. It calls into question whether theres even a problem in the first place or if that is also a product of imagination. I certainly don't see rampant sexism in my gaming circles so to speak.

These people just seem to want attention, money and people to just accept their agendas blindly. Sorry but not happening, the veil has been pulled back.

It is kind of depressing how many dishonest editorials and all of the browbeating we've been subjected to put into this kind of context.
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Re: Op Ed
Sep 12, 2014, 08:58
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Sep 12, 2014, 08:58
 
Also, it seems Zoe Quinn's use of a charity to receive donations without a prior agreement from the charity may be a crime.

"The unnamed party that contacted IFred claiming donations were made under a name other than Depression Quest, though they could not verify the accuracy of this claim at the time. Further discussion confirmed that no relationship between the parties existed prior and the organization was unaware they were being named as a beneficiary or in marketing materials. As Twitter user @Aurora_Leblanc pointed out, this is problematic to the laws applicable in some states as they govern soliciting on the behalf of charities."
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Sep 12, 2014, 08:52
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Sep 12, 2014, 01:08
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Sep 12, 2014, 01:08
 
Prez wrote on Sep 11, 2014, 22:38:
A gross guy who has rarely mentioned video games before, and when he has he's mentioned gamers with disdain, jumps in on this and people applaud him because he agrees with them...
I'm sure that you have been around enough to know that this isnt a new phenomenon, nor is it isolated just the gaming culture. It is common in virtually everything that sees sides with conflicting viewpoints. For someone as intelligent as you, I'm confused as to why you are getting caught up in it. I don't support this guy at all, but he isn't the end-all be-all of my opposition to the extreme feminist agenda in gaming culture. He isn't even a blip on my radar.

As an aside, seeing as how Ana Sarkeesian is on record as saying she had no interest in videogames and never played them until she took her crusade to gaming it could be said people on her side were suckered in on the same phenomenon.

*EDITED because I forgot to properly quote.

Honestly, I know you don't. I don't see eye to eye on this with you. I don't see eye to eye with you on many issues like this.

But I've long ago learned that you look critically at things before you reach an opinion.
Also, that Sarkeesian quote is taken somewhat out of context, but regardless, I don't hold her up as some idol and I haven't quoted her. I've seen Milo Whatshisname quoted here repeatedly. By the same people, sure, but repeatedly.

He's the guy that's painted every gamer with a broad brush.
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Sep 12, 2014, 00:52
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Sep 12, 2014, 00:52
 
Redmask wrote on Sep 10, 2014, 07:29:
Does anyone need to condemn people who make death threats? Do we need to raise a flag about someone being an asshole? These people knew exactly what they were doing with incendiary headlines and lumping people together. They just didn't count on the response they got and I have no sympathy for them.

Did they ever find out who made the Sarkeesian threats? I was really interested to know exactly who that was.
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