Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 16:14:
The men weren't the target. They're just dudes like Justin Verlander who are dating the women that were targeted and happen to be in their pictures.
But don't let that stop you from your "waaah, it's tough being a man" cry.

It's very interesting to me that there were men who happened to be in the photos, yet they are unworthy of mention. What happened to equality again?

I wonder if some of the photographers were men too, and had their copyrights violated by the stealing of their work.

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Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 16:15:

Desalus wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 15:06:

Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:30:
Regardless, I don't get this "meet reality" thing. Because you're famous you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy? Where are you drawing that line? Should Erin Andrews have just expected that someone would drill through the peephole in her hotel room door and film her? I mean, meet reality!
Also, your credit card was replaced twice this year due to hacks? What the hell do you do that it keeps getting hacked? I've never had to replace a credit card for anything fraudulent. Twice in one year?

I concur; people’s private sex lives should remain private. Unfortunately that’s an unrealistic expectation for the world we live in. For instance you can have your computer or phone stolen, servers are hacked, account usernames and passwords are stolen, or it can simply come down to a jaded ex-partner posting nude photos of you on the internet. In the least, if you’re living in the USA, the NSA is spying on you (I remember reading that they enjoy sharing ‘private’ nude photos of attractive women among themselves when they find them). This is what ‘meet reality’ means. Celebrities, especially if they are female and attractive, should accept the fact that nothing is really secure on the internet and there are people who are actively trying to target them. It’s unfortunate but it’s reality.

All of those things, less the NSA, are punishable by jail time. They're crimes. Felonies.
You should have a reasonable expectation that people will not commit felonies against you.

I don't really see how your own expectations are in any way relevant to those who perpetrate such crimes. Expecting everyone to obey the law and act in accordance with your own principles and values is unrealistic. As such, precautions must be taken. It's why you lock your door at night. It's why you shred documents with sensitive info on them. It's why you use virus scanners. It's why you don't open suspicious e-mails. It's why you shouldn't take pictures of yourself doing embarrassing or incriminating things.

Desalus wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 15:06:

Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:30:
Regardless, I don't get this "meet reality" thing. Because you're famous you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy? Where are you drawing that line? Should Erin Andrews have just expected that someone would drill through the peephole in her hotel room door and film her? I mean, meet reality!
Also, your credit card was replaced twice this year due to hacks? What the hell do you do that it keeps getting hacked? I've never had to replace a credit card for anything fraudulent. Twice in one year?

I concur; people’s private sex lives should remain private. Unfortunately that’s an unrealistic expectation for the world we live in. For instance you can have your computer or phone stolen, servers are hacked, account usernames and passwords are stolen, or it can simply come down to a jaded ex-partner posting nude photos of you on the internet. In the least, if you’re living in the USA, the NSA is spying on you (I remember reading that they enjoy sharing ‘private’ nude photos of attractive women among themselves when they find them). This is what ‘meet reality’ means. Celebrities, especially if they are female and attractive, should accept the fact that nothing is really secure on the internet and there are people who are actively trying to target them. It’s unfortunate but it’s reality.

All of those things, less the NSA, are punishable by jail time. They're crimes. Felonies.
You should have a reasonable expectation that people will not commit felonies against you.

Julio wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 14:30:

Jamil20 wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:56:
Why do these leaks only include women? That's so sexist!

Sorry, recent events have made me quite emphatic to the feminist cause.

My friend told me that's there's pictures of men too. So don't worry, there's an equal sex crime here. Just that the journalists aren't making a big deal of the naked guys. If it was 'gaming journalists I'd suspect there was a sex for burying the story trade going on here.

Wow.
The men weren't the target. They're just dudes like Justin Verlander who are dating the women that were targeted and happen to be in their pictures.
But don't let that stop you from your "waaah, it's tough being a man" cry.

What's pathetic is the shock over nudity. Do people realize that clothes are artificial?

Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:30:
Regardless, I don't get this "meet reality" thing. Because you're famous you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy? Where are you drawing that line? Should Erin Andrews have just expected that someone would drill through the peephole in her hotel room door and film her? I mean, meet reality!
Also, your credit card was replaced twice this year due to hacks? What the hell do you do that it keeps getting hacked? I've never had to replace a credit card for anything fraudulent. Twice in one year?

I concur; people’s private sex lives should remain private. Unfortunately that’s an unrealistic expectation for the world we live in. For instance you can have your computer or phone stolen, servers are hacked, account usernames and passwords are stolen, or it can simply come down to a jaded ex-partner posting nude photos of you on the internet. In the least, if you’re living in the USA, the NSA is spying on you (I remember reading that they enjoy sharing ‘private’ nude photos of attractive women among themselves when they find them). This is what ‘meet reality’ means. Celebrities, especially if they are female and attractive, should accept the fact that nothing is really secure on the internet and there are people who are actively trying to target them. It’s unfortunate but it’s reality.

I'm wondering if any of the celebs have an XboxOne with Kinect...given how good of a job they did on auto uploading their pics to the cloud.

Jamil20 wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:56:
Why do these leaks only include women? That's so sexist!

Sorry, recent events have made me quite emphatic to the feminist cause.

My friend told me that's there's pictures of men too. So don't worry, there's an equal sex crime here. Just that the journalists aren't making a big deal of the naked guys. If it was 'gaming journalists I'd suspect there was a sex for burying the story trade going on here.

InBlack wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 09:55:
Holy fuck shit. Well what this kid did deserves every punishment, but are you fucking serious? So anyone can call the police, make shit up like and I quote "I just shot and killed 4 people and Im gonna kill any police to come in here" their first response is to send in a SWAT team with orders to shoot on sight????!!!

Gotta say the real story is serious police incompetence IMO. Maybe Bats will weigh in on this, but is that standard procedure? No one checks with the neighbours, no one tries looking through the windows? No police cordons outside? No one tries to PHONE the murdering madman 'allegedly' in the house????

Also that Patriot Act provision basically ignores any special rights that minors have before the law....scary fucking shit.

Police can't be bothered to act like normal people and just, you know, knock on the door, politely make contact with whoever answers, and then let the situation evolve from there.

There's a story every few months of police busting in and shooting on sight, only to find out that it wasn't even the right house. Basically, what did happen was about the best that could happen these days. Dude could be dead.

-scheherazade

Why do these leaks only include women? That's so sexist!

Sorry, recent events have made me quite emphatic to the feminist cause.

Apple should really work this incident into future marketing campaigns.

Shok wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:31:
Verno, from what I understand they didn't upload them, their idevice automatically saves photos to Apple's cloud - even pictures deleted on the phone could still be kept in Apple's servers and hackers get it there.

I heard the same thing, that's why I mentioned the IT staff and iCloud thing. Some of the pics came from Samsung phones though according to reddit so the speculation is that its just the combined images from a large trading ring which makes sense.

They are taking private pics that are getting uploaded to a cloud server? Not too smart. Surely there is a way to disable automatic cloud backup.

Verno, from what I understand they didn't upload them, their idevice automatically saves photos to Apple's cloud - even pictures deleted on the phone could still be kept in Apple's servers and hackers get it there.

Bodolza wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 13:27:
I'm surprised they didn't call it rape. They would have gotten even more clicks.

Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:46:
But their private sex life should be their private sex life.

Now meet reality. I expect my credit card number to be secure, but I've had to replace it twice this year due to hacks. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice about giving out my card info. They did.

A credit card is a bit different, as it isn't exactly private. You give your credit card to a waiter or bartender several times a week, and he walks away with it.

Regardless, I don't get this "meet reality" thing. Because you're famous you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy? Where are you drawing that line? Should Erin Andrews have just expected that someone would drill through the peephole in her hotel room door and film her? I mean, meet reality!

Also, your credit card was replaced twice this year due to hacks? What the hell do you do that it keeps getting hacked? I've never had to replace a credit card for anything fraudulent. Twice in one year?

I'm surprised they didn't call it rape. They would have gotten even more clicks.

Beamer wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:46:
But their private sex life should be their private sex life.

Now meet reality. I expect my credit card number to be secure, but I've had to replace it twice this year due to hacks. Unfortunately, I don't have a choice about giving out my card info. They did.

Desalus wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:41:

Jerykk wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:29:
I'll never understand the logic of people who takes pictures and/or videos of themselves nude or during sex. Sure, you're allowed to do that and you're entitled to your own privacy but what's the point of making those pictures/videos in the first place? Especially if you're a celebrity whose public image is very important. Just seems like a completely unnecessary risk.

Exactly my thoughts. Any celebrity that takes nude photos of themselves with the expectation that they will forever be private is just delusional. I hope a good many celebrities learn a lesson from this incident because there will surely be many more to come.

Yes, they shouldn't expect any privacy behind closed doors...
I get, and am the first to point out, that as a public figure you lose certain bits of your privacy outside of them. I support them getting fired for saying things that will cost others money.

But their private sex life should be their private sex life. Even porn stars expect that their private sex life remains just that.


As for why people take these pictures, because they're fun? Because their partners appreciate them? Because it adds an extra bit of dirty to whatever you're doing?
All fun and valid reasons. I'm guessing many posters here have done this with their loved ones and the last thing any of us would want is a message that this has repercussions and should be stopped. We should be fighting the morons leaking, not the people that have fun in the bedroom.

Desalus wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:41:
Any celebrity that takes nude photos of themselves with the expectation that they will forever be private is just delusional.

Definitely not a good idea to take pictures and expect nobody to ever see them.

Jerykk wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:29:
I'll never understand the logic of people who takes pictures and/or videos of themselves nude or during sex. Sure, you're allowed to do that and you're entitled to your own privacy but what's the point of making those pictures/videos in the first place? Especially if you're a celebrity whose public image is very important. Just seems like a completely unnecessary risk.

Exactly my thoughts. Any celebrity that takes nude photos of themselves with the expectation that they will forever be private is just delusional. I hope a good many celebrities learn a lesson from this incident because there will surely be many more to come.

Jerykk wrote on Sep 2, 2014, 12:29:
I'll never understand the logic of people who takes pictures and/or videos of themselves nude or during sex. Sure, you're allowed to do that and you're entitled to your own privacy but what's the point of making those pictures/videos in the first place? Especially if you're a celebrity whose public image is very important. Just seems like a completely unnecessary risk.

Celebrity culture is very vain and almost has to be considering what appeals to the audience. So it doesn't surprise me they're taking pictures with their phones, I'm just more surprised that they uploaded them. You would think their agent or publicist would have an IT guy on staff to turn that shit off or at least have phone encryption on in case they're stolen. I know iCloud has some encryption but that doesn't help when someone steals your auth token.

Reading about it on reddit is pretty funny though. The chick from Big Bang Theory took a giant shot of her butt hole. Why a person would do that is anyones guess. Whatever floats your boat? Haha.