Redmask wrote on Jul 27, 2014, 01:21:
NKD wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 17:38:
Just listened to that bit from TB, and he's really right on there. There's no point in even having the discussion anymore. The douchebags and the Tumblr SJWs can just fight it out amongst each other and accomplish nothing. Those of us who are reasonable, rational human beings are giving up on the subject.
That's really the problem with these topics in general, no middle ground or room to disagree about a specific idea. Everyone has to pick a side as if we're playing a really dumb sport. I had to scuttle a friendship with someone who turned into a pretty militant feminist. Nothing was ever good enough for her and I tired quickly of even the slightest concession being met with hostility and a rant about how men have oppressed them since times of yore. If I sympathized I was being patronizing. If I tried to make any concessions or identify with the problems I was just a man and part of the problem, how could I understand the plight of women? If I tried to point out any flaws or logical problems in her rhetoric suddenly I was a woman basher.
These people don't know they are their own worst enemy.
I'm still having problems understanding why so many of you are arguing points that have -nothing- to do with this article, as justifications for not reading or discussing the article. I don't give a flying fuck how badly someone else mistreated you in the past, that doesn't justify a claim of "there's no point in even having the discussion anymore". I agree there's little to be gained by discussing the situation with the fanatics on either side. But fanatics of any stripe are rarely interested in discussion (it's hardly specific to this issue)...and the vast majority of people don't fall into those groups, so there are plenty of people who will have actual discussions. The trolls from both sides will try to convince you to drop it, that it (or you) are not fit for discussion. Fuck them...the minute they make that claim, they've put themselves clearly on the side of making the issue worse, and they've declared they don't give a shit about solving it.
This article did and said nothing to justify a refusal to read or discuss it. Abandoning discussion altogether -makes- you a part of the problem, just as much as making the rape and death threats do, just as much as blowing off supporters simply due to their gender does. You cannot improve a situation if you won't even talk about it.
I think this says it better than I could: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" -- disputed sources