Op Ed

Polygon - No skin thick enough- The daily harassment of women in the game industry.
The problem with sharing these stories in broad terms is that people think men and women receive the same harassment online. They do not. I’m not writing this piece to evoke your sympathy. I’m writing to share with you what prominent, successful women in the industry experience, in their own words.

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Seriously it’s not that hard why are you all so bad at this aauuugh.

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jdreyer wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 05:30:
You didn't even read the article, did you. How can you say she's OVERstating the case? She's describing ACTUAL events that happened to her and others. How is that OVERstating? Look, I get it. You want nuance, subtlety, reasoned debate. Well, let me welcome you to the real world. That's not what works. What works is in-your-face smashing of biases and forcing change on people.

Of course no one has ever overstated an issue or used extreme examples to make a point. Forget reasoned debate, how about any at all? The moment someone brings up something here they are immediately pounced on as if they are 'against women' and there is only one true view. The article won't even open for comments. Yeah its hard for me to take this more serious, I've been to countries where violence against women is a very immediate and serious problem in a way that not only interferes with day to day life but actually made you feel morally obligated to help. Guilt trip Tumblresque posts preaching to the choir on a Macbook while sitting at Starbucks? Not so much.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 06:53
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Jul 24, 2014, 06:53
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jdreyer wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 05:30:
@NKD

You didn't even read the article, did you. How can you say she's OVERstating the case? She's describing ACTUAL events that happened to her and others. How is that OVERstating?

If you think they're making the problem bigger than it seems, starting today let's take 23% of your salary and give it to a woman at your work that does the same job as you. You'd be FINE with that right? You'd not complain, or tweet, or write blog posts, or anything, right? Because that would be making the issue bigger than it seems, RIGHT?

I see, you support gender equality articles, but just not THIS article, with all of it's truth and personal experience. You'd prefer polite, mealy-mouthed, watered down articles that don't effect your sensibilities or challenge your assumptions, because that's what has always worked in civil rights issues like this: politeness and asking nicely. Seriously, what fucking planet are you from?

Nice, Brianna is a radfem, because she's been verbally accosted and threatened by internet sexists and had the balls to write about it. Yup, she should have just kept her mouth shut. And stayed in the kitchen.

Look, I get it. You want nuance, subtlety, reasoned debate. Well, let me welcome you to the real world. That's not what works. What works is in-your-face smashing of biases and forcing change on people. No one gives up power willingly, and the white males that rule this planet hold so much more power than everyone else. That you're in that cohort and defending it makes perfect sense, but realize it for what it is: you are the oppressor, the ruling class, the dictator, and the masses are rising to take your power. You can either choose to recognize your position and share power willingly, or you can have it taken from you like a screaming child. It's your choice.

Firstly, I think I failed to differentiate my critique of this article in particular with my critique of the general attitude I see out there. You are right that this specific article is not a particularly strong example of radical ideology, exaggeration, or appropriating someone else's much more serious cause to lend weight to their own. Especially by Polygon standards who are kings of clickbait. But those issues are pervasive and counter-productive.

Another thing you were right about: politeness and asking nicely doesn't accomplish anything when it comes to equality issues. Charismatic leaders who are able to sway opinions and get people to introspect and question their own beliefs do. Clickbait articles and strawman comments that make people want to give you the Oberyn Martell makeover aren't particularly inspiring or introspective. People just stop listening.

The flavor of feminism that is prevalent on the Internet today straight up isn't working. The Internet is more toxic for women than it has ever been, and like I said, people are becoming polarized instead of working together to find solutions.

Unless you're willing to take up arms and start killing people, your only way to affect change is to convince people you are right. If they aren't listening, they can't be convinced. The goal is to convert, not alienate. You can't avoid alienating the extremists at either end of the spectrum, but you want to swing those folks in the middle, not piss them off.

Do you really think preaching to the choir is the way to get things changed?

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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 06:42
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Jul 24, 2014, 06:42
 
jdreyer wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 02:15:
Here's what I'm hearing:

"Men have it hard too."

Predicted response by the author. If you're making this defense, you're making the author's point for her, or you didn't read the article. Either way, great job. Here's the difference, though. When someone on the internet says they're going to find you and fucking kill you, you don't give two shits. Being a man, you know you can pretty much can take care of yourself. When they say that to her, she stops going out at night. Also, too: rape threats and kitchen comments.

Why can't a woman 'take care of herself' similar to a man? It's pretty sexist to think that she can't. And if someone seriously wants to kill you, then they probably can, regardless of what gender you are.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 05:30
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Jul 24, 2014, 05:30
 
@NKD

You didn't even read the article, did you. How can you say she's OVERstating the case? She's describing ACTUAL events that happened to her and others. How is that OVERstating?

If you think they're making the problem bigger than it seems, starting today let's take 23% of your salary and give it to a woman at your work that does the same job as you. You'd be FINE with that right? You'd not complain, or tweet, or write blog posts, or anything, right? Because that would be making the issue bigger than it seems, RIGHT?

I see, you support gender equality articles, but just not THIS article, with all of it's truth and personal experience. You'd prefer polite, mealy-mouthed, watered down articles that don't effect your sensibilities or challenge your assumptions, because that's what has always worked in civil rights issues like this: politeness and asking nicely. Seriously, what fucking planet are you from?

Nice, Brianna is a radfem, because she's been verbally accosted and threatened by internet sexists and had the balls to write about it. Yup, she should have just kept her mouth shut. And stayed in the kitchen.

Look, I get it. You want nuance, subtlety, reasoned debate. Well, let me welcome you to the real world. That's not what works. What works is in-your-face smashing of biases and forcing change on people. No one gives up power willingly, and the white males that rule this planet hold so much more power than everyone else. That you're in that cohort and defending it makes perfect sense, but realize it for what it is: you are the oppressor, the ruling class, the dictator, and the masses are rising to take your power. You can either choose to recognize your position and share power willingly, or you can have it taken from you like a screaming child. It's your choice.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 03:52
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Jul 24, 2014, 03:52
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jdreyer wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 02:15:

"When people say too much about this topic, people stop listening."

Because shutting up is going to fix this issue? Both people and the news industry have serious ADD. The only way to move forward is to keep it in the public eye. And it's like Gandhi said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." I'm seeing all three in this thread, so that's progress at least.

It's not about how much you say. It's about not overstating your case. Nobody with a brain can argue that women have equality to men. They simply fucking don't.

But making a problem seem bigger than it really is, or trying to compare it to much more serious problems elsewhere in the world, just turns people off to your ideas. Fixing income inequality in the US isn't going to stop a single woman from being raped to death in Africa, so trying to draw those parallels feels disgusting and belittles the plight of people who have higher priority problems.

If you could fix the problem on your own, you wouldn't need to write articles about it. It would just get fixed. The whole point of writing an article is to education and raise awareness regarding an issue. You're trying to swing public opinion to your way of thinking. Since you don't have a bully pulpit or the ability to brainwash people, you need to be accurate and intellectually honest. The Tumblr style Social Justice Warrior routine turns you into a parody of your own cause and gets you dismissed even by people who AGREE with the fundamentals of your cause.

And then you're left where you started. The only people caring being people directly affected because you've pissed away the empathy of other people by being ridiculous.

Gender inequality is something worthy of writing articles about. It SHOULD be kept in the public eye. But the rampant sensationalist headlines, over the top blog pieces, and generally anything posted by Polygon just make me physically tired of even talking about the subject. I can't muster up the energy to care anymore because realistic and practical viewpoints about how to improve things are shouted down by wildly exaggerated and idealistic ones.

I feel like that on many issues these days. Internet discussion has just become a cesspool of escalating extremism. An arms race to see who can be more ridiculous, in this case the radfems, or the women-hating douchebags. And everyone else is left just sighing and walking away.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 02:15
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Jul 24, 2014, 02:15
 
Here's what I'm hearing:

"Men have it hard too."

Predicted response by the author. If you're making this defense, you're making the author's point for her, or you didn't read the article. Either way, great job. Here's the difference, though. When someone on the internet says they're going to find you and fucking kill you, you don't give two shits. Being a man, you know you can pretty much can take care of yourself. When they say that to her, she stops going out at night. Also, too: rape threats and kitchen comments.

"When people say too much about this topic, people stop listening."

Because shutting up is going to fix this issue? Both people and the news industry have serious ADD. The only way to move forward is to keep it in the public eye. And it's like Gandhi said, "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." I'm seeing all three in this thread, so that's progress at least.

"I worked in the game industry, and I never saw this."

Good for you. You got lucky. That hardly means this isn't an issue. I don't even go looking for stories like this, yet come across them on a monthly basis. It's an issue, it exists, and the gaming industry is poorer for it. Tired of CoD clones? More women in the industry can help fix that.

"This is a first world problem. There are bigger issues out there."

The problem of sexism in the gaming industry is emblematic of the violence against and suppression of women worldwide. It's a major issue. There isn't a country in the world where women have equality to men. This despite women outnumbering men worldwide, and in industrialized nations having greater education. The USA, where most of these stories are focused, doesn't even break the top 10. Women in the US make 77% the salary of men in the same position, for example.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 24, 2014, 00:55
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descender wrote on Jul 24, 2014, 00:04:
If you had your way, there would be no links on this website at all.

He doesn't actually click them before commenting so it wouldn't really affect him at all anyway.
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If you had your way, there would be no links on this website at all.
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Jul 23, 2014, 23:52
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Jul 23, 2014, 23:52
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Oh the humanity! Those poor females, getting raped and beaten every day. Oh wait, that's not happening? So it's really just the occasional douchebag saying something dumb, not really offensive? Because when that occurs and she goes to HR he's immediately escorted off the premises? Fuck off Trollygon. Seriously. Blue, you really need to stop posting anything from that site.
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Jul 23, 2014, 23:43
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Jul 23, 2014, 23:43
 
Redmask wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 22:34:
Stormsinger wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 22:08:

OTOH, there's a -lot- of comments in this thread that go way past bordering on supporting the claims in the article. How many here were saying "suck it up, it happens to everyone"? How many boiled down to "it's not that big a deal"?

No, I don't feel that is a fair summary of what went on here. I don't see anyone actually supporting the negative actions and I don't see anything inherently wrong in people disputing some of the points or offsetting the experiences with their own. What I see a lot of is people acting indifferent due to being harangued about it in very one sided blog style articles (this is not the first, there have been many) that literally close any open ended discussion. Sometimes its not what you say, its how you say it.

There is a lot of scary shit going on in the world and I don't mind telling you that this is barely even on my radar. We will never erase every asshole in the universe and all articles like this do is piss off the more reasonable ones.

First, there is no such thing as a reasonable asshole. Second, maybe you can only deal with one thought or issue at a time, but some of us have a bit more capability than that. Other unspecified scary things don't stop me from acknowledging that rape and death threats are way more serious than "its no picnic for men either".

And statements like yours, are precisely what many of these "one-sided blog articles" are talking about. You blow off the issue with some bullshit false equivalence, and then get offended when called on it. If you get tired of them, too fucking bad. Grow a thicker skin.
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Jul 23, 2014, 22:34
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Jul 23, 2014, 22:34
 
Stormsinger wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 22:08:

OTOH, there's a -lot- of comments in this thread that go way past bordering on supporting the claims in the article. How many here were saying "suck it up, it happens to everyone"? How many boiled down to "it's not that big a deal"?

No, I don't feel that is a fair summary of what went on here. I don't see anyone actually supporting the negative actions and I don't see anything inherently wrong in people disputing some of the points or offsetting the experiences with their own. What I see a lot of is people acting indifferent due to being harangued about it in very one sided blog style articles (this is not the first, there have been many) that literally close any open ended discussion. Sometimes its not what you say, its how you say it.

There is a lot of scary shit going on in the world and I don't mind telling you that this is barely even on my radar. We will never erase every asshole in the universe and all articles like this do is piss off the more reasonable ones.
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Jul 23, 2014, 22:08
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Redmask wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 21:49:
I don't think many women would have a problem with getting men to condemn their stalkers, their abusers, and their harassers. When they start generalizing, accusing all men of being victimizers, the moral high-ground becomes very shaky. This article borders on that...

Great points Eirik, thanks for a good read. That is how I feel about womens issues now, they have gone too far the other way and almost alienate people with it now. I've worked in several female dominated fields and its no picnic for men either. Maybe I should write a post on Tumblr about not feeling safe.

OTOH, there's a -lot- of comments in this thread that go way past bordering on supporting the claims in the article. How many here were saying "suck it up, it happens to everyone"? How many boiled down to "it's not that big a deal"?

Over half, at a rough count. That's pretty damned telling, in my view.
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SlimRam wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 14:56:
Just a quick life lesson from yours truly.

Men have always dominated this planet.

Men will ALWAYS dominate this planet, unless a woman creates an army strong enough to defeat man altogether (and unless there's some kind of sex wars that started and I haven't heard about it then that's probably never going to happen).

Men mostly have designed and created society and the laws that govern it.

If women want anything to change they simply have to remove all men from positions of power. And the only way that'll ever happen is if there is war against men, worldwide, and they win. The problem with this is men tend to be very good at war & in times of crisis, they band together.

So there you have it, the problem is solved, either sex war against the entire world or nothing changes. Simple really
Or maybe, some day enough men will grow the fuck up and stop putting up with the rest of the immature assholes, and things will actually get a bit better.

Frankly, I'm all for prosecuting every rape threat or death threat. Send a few hundred assholes to jail, with full publicity, and the number of people stupid enough to keep doing so -will- decline. If not, more profit for the private prison industry. Note, this is quite likely the only time I'll every make that statement...it burns, even now.
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:54
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:54
 
NKD wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 18:10:
Agent.X7 wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 15:37:
If you click on Polygon articles I would like you to post your name and address so I can come slap some sense into you.

I'll come along and we can make it like this video.

"Do you post on Blue's News under the user name Cutter?"

"Did you comment on some shitty Polygon Tumblr SJW style article?"

Then proceed with the ass whipping.

Haha, yup. That was the scene I was envisioning when I typed that.
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Re: Op Ed
Jul 23, 2014, 21:49
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:49
 
I don't think many women would have a problem with getting men to condemn their stalkers, their abusers, and their harassers. When they start generalizing, accusing all men of being victimizers, the moral high-ground becomes very shaky. This article borders on that...

Great points Eirik, thanks for a good read. That is how I feel about womens issues now, they have gone too far the other way and almost alienate people with it now. I've worked in several female dominated fields and its no picnic for men either. Maybe I should write a post on Tumblr about not feeling safe.
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:46
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:46
 
Burrito of Peace wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 21:16:
I guess I'm just too old and have been around the block too many times to give a damn about this "issue".

Someone once said to me that "Humans never solve any problem until it becomes an absolute crisis from which they cannot escape." That's proved true on every major social, financial, industrial, national and global problem I've seen in my life and those I've read of historically. Unless and until it directly impacts a significant amount of a total population, no effort will be made to rectify it. Specifically on this issue, I'd be generally surprised if it effected any more than 3% of the population globally and 15% of the population nationally within the US. I'm sure the national percentage will skew up or down dependent on the total volume of population within any other country.

I worked in the MMO industry for a very long time, since its birth really. I used to have a joke within the office that was adopted broadly because it was universally true about online service users. That joke was "It's not a good day on the internet until my race, sexuality, gender, and alleged promiscuity have been called in to question." Quite frankly, it was laughable to see complete strangers get worked up in to a frothing rage over things that were undeniably trivial and it was hilarious to read the creativity they'd use to try and insult me based upon the criteria mentioned above.

Looking at the article, the amount of bias is extremely evident and that bias is intentionally preserved by the disabling of comments. Partly, I am sure, to prevent those whom would call bullshit on it and refute it. I grant, however, that it is also partially to prevent the trolls from flaming for kicks.

In my time within the game industry, I worked with a lot of women. Just like their male counterparts; some were brilliant, some did their job and went home and some were horrible and didn't last long. There was zero harassment from within as it flatout wasn't tolerated. Before going in to content creation, I started on the support side as most hopefuls tend to do. In total, I would estimate that we had roughly fifty women between account, technical, and game support. Yes, undeniably, there were cretins who would harass our female employees because of their gender. Those cretins, however, made up about 1% of the total customer base. One percent. 99% of the customer base did not attack them based on their gender. The alleged "widespread harassment" as claimed by the article did not materialize within the five companies or from its customers I worked for over more than twenty years. I also understand this is anecdotal and the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

I firmly believe that this is a case of "the lady doth protest too much".

While I was writing my post above, you posted the best support of one of my points that I could ever hope for. I don't think it's the "gaming industry's" problem, because it's not the industry doing it to them. It's the freaks and jerks in the audience that need to be condemned...
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:45
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Draugr wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 21:37:
"1960s: Those people that write about racial inequality should just shut up already. Constantly writing about it won't do anything."

Doesn't translate to, "I think this is exactly like the civil right movement of the 1960's." I think the idea was to point out how dismissive people can be of marginalized groups.

He doesn't have to mean it literally, you can't pop out something incendiary like that and then expect other people not to point out why its flawed. People have compared this to racial inequality and women's suffrage, whether casually or directly and frankly that deserves a bit of scorn in my books. That's all he was doing, being glib in return.
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:41
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:41
 
Several responses, in no particular order:

  • The headline of this article is misleading, at least in the fact that the issue is not women in the "game industry." It is women in the "public eye." Having read the article, I didn't see any complaints about harassment occurring in their workplace from their employers or coworkers. The examples were almost exclusively the responses of fans, online gamers, and other anonymous douche-nozzles. I would be shocked if the number of vile and inappropriate fan communications with someone like Jennifer Lawrence or Selena Gomez doesn't absolutely dwarf any of the sick stuff sent to these women. Which says to me that the problem is not one centered around "games." It is a problem of how people communicate with each other when (a)there is a high level of anonymity or (b)little threat of direct consequences. The same loser who is posting "show us your bewbs!" in an online chat room would likely not even have the courage to speak to one of these women that way face-to-face, especially in front of her boyfriend/brother, etc. This issue might have a different solution than one totally spawned in the "games industry," which is why I think this categorization is not helpful.

  • There is a cognitive disconnect between the various claims of injury and capability, and this is not limited to women's issues. In fact, just about any group that dons the "victim" label runs afoul of this disconnect, whether it is a particular sexual or racial minority or even white Christians claiming to be discriminated against. Almost all "victim" groups assert that they are being discriminated against based on an incorrect assumption of inferior capabilities, while at the same time claiming that they are so fragile that even micro-aggresive transgressions are too much for them to bear. Which is it? In this case, I just have a hard time reconciling an article with a half-dozen trigger-warnings in front of it with the idea that women are just like anyone else in the workforce. Either women are so sensitive to these issues that they can be incapacitated by them, or they aren't? It seems like most "victim" groups don't want to be treated differently... unless it benefits them.

  • Almost all of these discussions of equality (whether racial, gender, et al.) ignores the fact that none ALL [edit- ooops, typing too fast] of the progress that has already been made has come primarily from the actions of the majority. Blacks in the US didn't gain equality because they outnumbered whites and forced people to treat them equally. They didn't have the numbers or the power. They gained equality because they successfully demonstrated the moral superiority of their positions. They proved to the majority that the majority was morally wrong. And then the majority changed themselves. Even if every single black American had violently rebelled, they could not have forced the Civil Rights movement on an unwilling majority. They, instead, forced the majority to face the disconnect between what the majority preached (equality) and what they practiced (bigotry). Unfortunately, where the civil rights movement has been less successful is where it has given up the moral high-ground (reverse-discrimination, quota-based hiring and university admissions, etc.). Women face the same problem. Equality is a moral high-ground for them. It is nearly unarguable... at least until they stray from convincing to lashing out. There is a fine line between identifying obvious transgressions and generalizing them so that your allies get swept up with your enemies. I don't think many women would have a problem with getting men to condemn their stalkers, their abusers, and their harassers. When they start generalizing, accusing all men of being victimizers, the moral high-ground becomes very shaky. This article borders on that...

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Jul 23, 2014, 21:37
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:37
 
Redmask wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 20:52:
Draugr wrote on Jul 23, 2014, 20:01:
Quite frankly I haven't seen people drawing comparison to the civil rights movement in the way you claim.

You didn't read what he quoted? The guy you were arguing with didn't bring them up first, the person he was replying to was.

But again, jdryer didn't say it was just like civil rights issues of the 1960s, he drew a comparison to responses from then and now, and then everyone is now saying jdryer is saying it's just like civil rights in the 1960's which no one ever claimed.

"1960s: Those people that write about racial inequality should just shut up already. Constantly writing about it won't do anything."

Doesn't translate to, "I think this is exactly like the civil right movement of the 1960's." I think the idea was to point out how dismissive people can be of marginalized groups.

Edit: this is all kind of a derail, they've moved beyond it so I will shut up about it, :).

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Jul 23, 2014, 21:16
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Jul 23, 2014, 21:16
 
I guess I'm just too old and have been around the block too many times to give a damn about this "issue".

Someone once said to me that "Humans never solve any problem until it becomes an absolute crisis from which they cannot escape." That's proved true on every major social, financial, industrial, national and global problem I've seen in my life and those I've read of historically. Unless and until it directly impacts a significant amount of a total population, no effort will be made to rectify it. Specifically on this issue, I'd be generally surprised if it effected any more than 3% of the population globally and 15% of the population nationally within the US. I'm sure the national percentage will skew up or down dependent on the total volume of population within any other country.

I worked in the MMO industry for a very long time, since its birth really. I used to have a joke within the office that was adopted broadly because it was universally true about online service users. That joke was "It's not a good day on the internet until my race, sexuality, gender, and alleged promiscuity have been called in to question." Quite frankly, it was laughable to see complete strangers get worked up in to a frothing rage over things that were undeniably trivial and it was hilarious to read the creativity they'd use to try and insult me based upon the criteria mentioned above.

Looking at the article, the amount of bias is extremely evident and that bias is intentionally preserved by the disabling of comments. Partly, I am sure, to prevent those whom would call bullshit on it and refute it. I grant, however, that it is also partially to prevent the trolls from flaming for kicks.

In my time within the game industry, I worked with a lot of women. Just like their male counterparts; some were brilliant, some did their job and went home and some were horrible and didn't last long. There was zero harassment from within as it flatout wasn't tolerated. Before going in to content creation, I started on the support side as most hopefuls tend to do. In total, I would estimate that we had roughly fifty women between account, technical, and game support. Yes, undeniably, there were cretins who would harass our female employees because of their gender. Those cretins, however, made up about 1% of the total customer base. One percent. 99% of the customer base did not attack them based on their gender. The alleged "widespread harassment" as claimed by the article did not materialize within the five companies or from its customers I worked for over more than twenty years. I also understand this is anecdotal and the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

I firmly believe that this is a case of "the lady doth protest too much".
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