SCS Software Dev vs Valve

Tomáš Duda's Twitter feed has posts showing that the SCS Software (Euro Truck Simulator) developer had his Steam Community, Steamworks Partner, and Steam OpenID access revoked by Valve for a year after using a Steam scripting tags vulnerability to make a community announcement do the Harlem Shake, saying this is something he'd previously reported to Valve. There's a post about this from Tomáš in this reddit thread: "Short version of what happened: <script> tags were allowed in community announcements. We were talking about weird Steam's HTML parsers in the #steamdb channel, and then Harlem Shake happened. Blame xPaw, Marlamin and Gran PC, of course." Thanks Joao.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 17, 2014, 09:43
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 17, 2014, 09:43
Jun 17, 2014, 09:43
 
InBlack wrote on Jun 17, 2014, 06:51:
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 16:53:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:21:
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

No they don't, but the market is pretty much an oligopoly with Steam being the dominant supplier.

My comment was more of a shot at people who complain about Origin existing than anything else. Everyone likes to claim it wasn't necessary and that they should just put everything on Steam, then something like this happens and suddenly it's "Monopoly Bad."

Please correct me if Im wrong but doesnt Origin distribue EA games only?

Nope, you can get, for examples: Tomb Raider, Watch_Dogs, Sleeping Dogs, Resident Evil 6, Remember Me.... etc. There is a lot more than just EA games on Origin.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 17, 2014, 07:54
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 17, 2014, 07:54
Jun 17, 2014, 07:54
 
Quboid wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 18:13:
hello newman wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 17:47:
I wonder if Blue would ban an account that pulled that on bluesnews.com ...

Hmm, good question.

A duck wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 17:47:
Quack quack!

I broke the board! Muahahahaha!

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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 17, 2014, 06:51
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 17, 2014, 06:51
Jun 17, 2014, 06:51
 
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 16:53:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:21:
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

No they don't, but the market is pretty much an oligopoly with Steam being the dominant supplier.

My comment was more of a shot at people who complain about Origin existing than anything else. Everyone likes to claim it wasn't necessary and that they should just put everything on Steam, then something like this happens and suddenly it's "Monopoly Bad."

Please correct me if Im wrong but doesnt Origin distribue EA games only?
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 17, 2014, 01:28
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 17, 2014, 01:28
Jun 17, 2014, 01:28
 
Parallax Abstraction wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 16:31:
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

That didn't stop Microsoft from being declared a monopoly, despite Mac and Linux existing at the time. One doesn't have to have 100% control of the market to be a monopoly, they just have to have a disproportionately large amount of power and influence within it. Given that Valve is estimated to control something like 85-90% of digital distribution on PC with everyone else fighting over the scraps and that a large number of digital PC games you buy now are just Steam keys anyway, I'd say they definitely have that.

Exactly. In fact, antitrust law in the US, as written, can allow for a single company to legally control an entire market. It's only using said position to manipulate the market that's actually illegal.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 17, 2014, 01:09
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 17, 2014, 01:09
Jun 17, 2014, 01:09
 
Primalchrome wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 17:24:
How, exactly, is this an abuse of power from Valve? If I tell you that your front door lock is defective and I can pick it with these three little bits of metal....does that give me the right to thwart said lock and come in to use your kitchen and restroom as I please? Or even better, tell a community of anonymous dirtbags how to do it and perhaps exploit it in even more creative ways?

That's not a very good analogy. Think of it more like an apartment building where every apartment uses the same type of lock. You discover a vulnerability in the lock that could allow someone to break into not just your apartment, but any apartment in the building. You report it to the building owner, but months go by and they don't seem to be concerned about fixing it. So you use the vulnerability to get into the manager's apartment and leave a note to try and let them know how urgent the issue is, and then get kicked out of your apartment.

All it would take is a developer to have their login compromised (it was mentioned on the linked reddit thread that developer logins were previously compromised with the heartbleed bug), and then someone insert a malicious script into an announcement.

He never told a "community of anonymous dirtbags" how to do the exploit either, he just put out an announcement for his own product that demonstrated it. Valve was told about it months ago, and they didn't bother to attempt to fix it until now.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 18:13
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 18:13
Jun 16, 2014, 18:13
 Quboid
 
hello newman wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 17:47:
I wonder if Blue would ban an account that pulled that on bluesnews.com ...

Hmm, good question.

A duck wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 17:47:
Quack quack!

I broke the board! Muahahahaha!
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 17:47
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 17:47
Jun 16, 2014, 17:47
 
I wonder if Blue would ban an account that pulled that on bluesnews.com ...
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 17:24
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 17:24
Jun 16, 2014, 17:24
 
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.
How, exactly, is this an abuse of power from Valve? If I tell you that your front door lock is defective and I can pick it with these three little bits of metal....does that give me the right to thwart said lock and come in to use your kitchen and restroom as I please? Or even better, tell a community of anonymous dirtbags how to do it and perhaps exploit it in even more creative ways?
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 16:53
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 16:53
Jun 16, 2014, 16:53
 
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 14:21:
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

No they don't, but the market is pretty much an oligopoly with Steam being the dominant supplier.

My comment was more of a shot at people who complain about Origin existing than anything else. Everyone likes to claim it wasn't necessary and that they should just put everything on Steam, then something like this happens and suddenly it's "Monopoly Bad."
-C22
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 16:31
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 16:31
Jun 16, 2014, 16:31
 
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

That didn't stop Microsoft from being declared a monopoly, despite Mac and Linux existing at the time. One doesn't have to have 100% control of the market to be a monopoly, they just have to have a disproportionately large amount of power and influence within it. Given that Valve is estimated to control something like 85-90% of digital distribution on PC with everyone else fighting over the scraps and that a large number of digital PC games you buy now are just Steam keys anyway, I'd say they definitely have that.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 14:21
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 14:21
Jun 16, 2014, 14:21
 
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

No they don't, but the market is pretty much an oligopoly with Steam being the dominant supplier.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 13:46
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Jun 16, 2014, 13:46
 
Trevellian wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 13:40:

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.

Oddly, I've been buying more from GOG and Humble this year than Steam.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 13:40
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 13:40
Jun 16, 2014, 13:40
 
ASeven wrote on Jun 16, 2014, 12:09:
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.

But... they don't have a Monopoly. Origin, which everyone loves to hate on for no reason other than existing, exists.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 12:45
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Jun 16, 2014, 12:45
 
UBI would know better than to pull that shit.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 12:42
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Jun 16, 2014, 12:42
 
Ubi wouldn't pull this shit. Large companies know they run the risk of getting sued for fat sacks of cash money if they even minutely or accidentally fuck with another business, even if nobody actually cares, just because the deep pockets are there to be raided. Personality is something you can only afford to have if you're poor and unemployed.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 12:16
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Jun 16, 2014, 12:16
 
This pisses me off because SCS is a great small companies that really cares about it's customers! Would Valve pull this shit with UBI? I think not!
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 12:09
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve Jun 16, 2014, 12:09
Jun 16, 2014, 12:09
 
https://twitter.com/GranPC/status/478554937111371776

Apparently, the vulnerability isn't even fixed.

I find this to be an abuse of power from Valve. It's never good to have an almost monopoly of a market, in this case PC games digital distribution, because shit like this will happen.
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Re: SCS Software Dev vs Valve
Jun 16, 2014, 12:09
Quboid
 
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Jun 16, 2014, 12:09
 Quboid
 
Valve, reading from the "we're too big to care" play-book. Same book that Google, Microsoft, governments and other behemoths get their plays from.

Problem? Ignore it. Unignorable problem? Begrudgingly deal with it, but punish whoever made it unignorable so others aren't encouraged to make us do stuff.
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