InBlack wrote on Apr 4, 2014, 03:43:
Bethesda has prostituted itself with this travesty. Thankfully they did not make it in-house and so when it inevetably fails and goes F2P 6 months down the road when people realise it's not Skyrim, or Morrowind, or even Daggerfall with an online component, but rather a reskined World of Warcraft, I hope they get back to what they do best. Make their ES games in house and keep them firmly in single-player fully MODDable territory.

What makes an MMO just a 'reskinned WoW'? Or is it just that it's an MMO, because I played a reskinned DOOM the other day, and it was a hell of a lot of fun...

-Alamar

ColoradoHoudini wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:35:
coworker of mine, a gaming guy like the rest of us.. gave it a few test runs in various betas, and he said "just skip it.. it's not nearly as good as Wildstar".
He, like many people said.. "it feels like a few other people playing Skyrim with me"

I normally give games a test run myself, but I value his gaming opinion, and after we played Wildstar, he said that it's WAY better in every way vs ESO.

I WANT ESO to thrive.. competition is awesome! But I am hearing it's just not that good vs what's out there already, and what's coming soon

I have a gamer co-worker with the opposite reaction... He was hyping about Wildstar for the last year+... Tried the beta, and got meh'd out... Tried ESO beta, and that's what he's been playing the last few days...

-Alamar

Marvin T. Martian wrote on Apr 4, 2014, 09:35:

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

Because it has a pay 2 win store as well as a sub.

There is no pay-2-win equipment in the store in TSO. Know what you are talking about before spouting nonsense. Nothing worse than someone throwing around terms they have no clue what they actually mean.

As to the sub option, if you want to enjoy any of the "AAA" games that have gone f2p you still have to sub to them. Playing any of them for free is just a very frustrating experience. What is the big deal, if you like a game pay for it. F2P games that don't have a sub option end up milking your wallet for far more than a normal sub. I get so tired of explaining this to the ill-informed. Wake up!

ViRGE wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 18:37:
Am I the only person who has essentially completely forgotten about this game?

What game?

Marvin T. Martian wrote on Apr 4, 2014, 09:35:

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

Because it has a pay 2 win store as well as a sub.

ESO has an in-game store? I haven't found it yet.

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

Because it has a pay 2 win store as well as a sub.

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:15:
I'm fine with people like you not liking the game, but why is it you all need to reiterate that fact in the forums a hundred times over?

You should probably apologize, I don't think I've ever seen him even post in one of these threads. He didn't comment on the quality of the game either.

Bethesda has prostituted itself with this travesty. Thankfully they did not make it in-house and so when it inevetably fails and goes F2P 6 months down the road when people realise it's not Skyrim, or Morrowind, or even Daggerfall with an online component, but rather a reskined World of Warcraft, I hope they get back to what they do best. Make their ES games in house and keep them firmly in single-player fully MODDable territory.

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:15:

ViRGE wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 18:37:
Am I the only person who has essentially completely forgotten about this game?

Seriously dude, give it a rest already. if you don't like the game please don't come in here spouting shit like that. No one cares about your lame opinion. The game happens to pretty damn good. But someone like you who most likely never played one second of the game has a negative opinion about the game.

I'm fine with people like you not liking the game, but why is it you all need to reiterate that fact in the forums a hundred times over?

Woah hoss, easy. I don't think I've ever commented on any of the ESO threads, so I don't have a horse in this race or any real opinion on the game.

It just seemed to me that this game hasn't attracted a lot of attention. Not like some of the other major MMO launches of the past few years. So to find out that it was coming out tomorrow has taken me by surprise.

Damn kittens.

Drayth wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 22:30:
ToR has normal subscriptions. That's kind of the idea there, all the nickel and dime stuff just kind of opens up parts of the game (especially crafting). They make it all annoying enough that they want you to just cave and say 'Ah, F it, I'll just sub'.

I know I should have put a paragraph there, I meant ESO with my comment about the subscription, and SWTOR with my comment about how annoying f2p can actually be.... I blame kittens!

PropheT wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 22:43:
They're very different games and will appeal to different people.

Exactly. Wildstar is downright perfect for a certain type of player but ESO has more general appeal. This is unsurprising given that they both targeted specific audiences. The ESO devs have even specifically addressed this when they made API changes in late beta. I'm personally glad for it, I'm not interested in that more hardcore crowd that will adapt well to Wildstar's grindfest. I honestly want something more immersive where I can just take my time and enjoy myself...

(I also played SWTOR and GW2, both at launch for many months, and both had their strong points but F2P/B2P does indeed nickel and dime you to death)

Created a Guild in the Ebonheart Pact. Send a msg to @xXBatmanXx. I check it multiple times a day when I am not playing and not getting as much time as I want. Hopefully will get to play more but I am very impressed with the game. Again, I am not a big MMO guy, and to me, yea, it is Skyrim with friends. Which is fine with me. The lore, story, environments, NPCs, everything is very enjoyable. I am not knowledgable about other MMOs to know shit about shit, but it is fun to me.

Come join us. Or don't.

Running 5 characters to try different builds and wanted to see all 3 starting areas. Very cool. Collecting, crafting, making beers, etc like a mofo.

ColoradoHoudini wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:35:
I normally give games a test run myself, but I value his gaming opinion, and after we played Wildstar, he said that it's WAY better in every way vs ESO.

Try them for yourself if you're interested. I'm enjoying ESO, but I don't think it's great; I don't regret paying for it. After trying Wildstar my interest in it is practically zero... it's good looking, but more or less plays and acts like DC Universe or Champions Online in a sci-fi/fantasy setting. The graphics and animations are fantastic, though.

They're very different games and will appeal to different people. Honestly, though, for what it's worth... if Warlords of Draenor hit right now I wouldn't play either of them.

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:39:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:14:

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

As for this being as generic as they come, I take it you haven't gone past level 15? Because the game really starts to open up after you get on the main land and questing. I have seen MMO's that are way worst then this game. This game at least has quality voice overs acting and voice overs for nearly every NPC that you talk to through your the world that is of relevance. Where is that being done in any other MMO? Certainly not in Wildstar.

Monthly sub became bad when MMO's became nothing but generic themepark clones which everyone has already played dozens of times already.

The game opening up after level 10 helps, but it's still same old same old... and does nothing to help the cumbersome combat and tired old formula.

As for voice overs - SWTOR? And it's free!

You sir are delusional, SWTOR is far from free. That game is the epitome of Nickel and Dime you to death.

I played SWTOR a couple of months back, got to level ~20 and never had to pay for one thing. Though maybe i did it wrong, or was blinded by all the amazing voice acting that i was unable to see how terrible the GAME actually was...

Hey, wait a sec, maybe you are onto something!

ToR has normal subscriptions. That's kind of the idea there, all the nickel and dime stuff just kind of opens up parts of the game (especially crafting). They make it all annoying enough that they want you to just cave and say 'Ah, F it, I'll just sub'.

I'm enjoying it and glad I got in early before the commoners. But there are a bunch of bugs still. Bunch of quests couldn't be completed until a day or two ago. Still random disconnects and such. There was also a lovely bug where you would randomly log in to some random person's account. I think that one was fixed pretty quickly though.

Still, I'm enjoying it. The crafting is different. And leveling up feels good.

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:39:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:14:

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

As for this being as generic as they come, I take it you haven't gone past level 15? Because the game really starts to open up after you get on the main land and questing. I have seen MMO's that are way worst then this game. This game at least has quality voice overs acting and voice overs for nearly every NPC that you talk to through your the world that is of relevance. Where is that being done in any other MMO? Certainly not in Wildstar.

Monthly sub became bad when MMO's became nothing but generic themepark clones which everyone has already played dozens of times already.

The game opening up after level 10 helps, but it's still same old same old... and does nothing to help the cumbersome combat and tired old formula.

As for voice overs - SWTOR? And it's free!

You sir are delusional, SWTOR is far from free. That game is the epitome of Nickel and Dime you to death.

Gotta agree on that, timers, cooldowns on certain missions, restrictions everywhere. SWTOR is the example of how fucking lame free to play can be. I get they want to ear money, but if they had balls they'd ask actual subscriptions. As it is, f2p mmo's are mostly complete garbage unless you play an hour a day at most.

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 21:14:

Darks wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:18:

Osc8r wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 20:06:

mlw wrote on Apr 3, 2014, 19:40:
Do movie theaters let you watch movies for free?
Do restaurants let you eat for free?

Welcome To The Real World.

You mean the real world where there are better MMO's than ESO and which don't have a monthly fee attached?

This ESO MMO is as generic as they come - there is simply no justification for the monthly fee in THIS CASE considering their competition.

Give it time, i'm sure they too will realise this.

Glad you are enjoying it though! Half a dozen beta's were more than enough for me.

Yea, says you. Ill take a monthly sub any day of a free to play model. the F2P model nickel and dimes you to death for almost anything you need or what to do In the game.

And since when has a monthly sub now become bad?

As for this being as generic as they come, I take it you haven't gone past level 15? Because the game really starts to open up after you get on the main land and questing. I have seen MMO's that are way worst then this game. This game at least has quality voice overs acting and voice overs for nearly every NPC that you talk to through your the world that is of relevance. Where is that being done in any other MMO? Certainly not in Wildstar.

Monthly sub became bad when MMO's became nothing but generic themepark clones which everyone has already played dozens of times already.

The game opening up after level 10 helps, but it's still same old same old... and does nothing to help the cumbersome combat and tired old formula.

As for voice overs - SWTOR? And it's free!

You sir are delusional, SWTOR is far from free. That game is the epitome of Nickel and Dime you to death.

coworker of mine, a gaming guy like the rest of us.. gave it a few test runs in various betas, and he said "just skip it.. it's not nearly as good as Wildstar".
He, like many people said.. "it feels like a few other people playing Skyrim with me"

I normally give games a test run myself, but I value his gaming opinion, and after we played Wildstar, he said that it's WAY better in every way vs ESO.

I WANT ESO to thrive.. competition is awesome! But I am hearing it's just not that good vs what's out there already, and what's coming soon