Out of the Blue

Well, we got socked with that snowstorm they predicted, not sure we got the full foot of snowfall they called for, but it's pretty deep out there. I'll have to tackle that in a bit, but with the temperature right around 2°F and a "real feel" of -29°F I'm not in any rush to head out there. Yeesh.

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Jan 22, 2014, 09:23
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Jan 22, 2014, 09:23
 
In the immortal words of W.C Fields...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGfuEZ9dSo

That never gets old for me....
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Jan 22, 2014, 09:23
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Jan 22, 2014, 09:23
 
Even worse than the anti-vaccination crazies is the the horrible overperscription of antibiotics nearly everywhere in the world. A few days ago I read a report that 60% of all antibiotic perscriptions are completely unecessary. In twenty or thirty years we will have antibiotic resistant superbugs everywhere. Worst of all the pharmas cant keep up, the bugs are mutating at a much faster rate than new antibiotics are being created. Combine this with ever denser populations and you have a recipe for disaster.
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Jan 22, 2014, 10:49
Quboid
 
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Jan 22, 2014, 10:49
 Quboid
 
RoboNerd wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 09:23:
In the immortal words of W.C Fields...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcGfuEZ9dSo

That never gets old for me....

Was that supposed to be hilarious or did he piss off a stage hand?
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Jan 22, 2014, 13:14
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Jan 22, 2014, 13:14
 
Man, that story about that 8-year-old is depressing. Poor kid...
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Jan 22, 2014, 14:55
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Re: Out of the Blue Jan 22, 2014, 14:55
Jan 22, 2014, 14:55
 
It's a good way to cull the earth's population though and this planet desperately needs it. It's that or WWIII before too long, take your pick.
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Jan 22, 2014, 14:59
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Jan 22, 2014, 14:59
 
InBlack wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 09:23:
Even worse than the anti-vaccination crazies is the the horrible overperscription of antibiotics nearly everywhere in the world.
What I found interesting in the article was the comments, especially the "but x" because "I believe y" and all the rest. I'm expecting the next bug to smash us in the face to be a flu variant, not antibiotic resistant. Here in Canada we've had a nasty flu season, and 90% of the one admitted to hospitals are for the swine flu instead of regular flu.
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:02
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:02
 
InBlack wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 09:23:
Even worse than the anti-vaccination crazies is the the horrible overperscription of antibiotics nearly everywhere in the world. A few days ago I read a report that 60% of all antibiotic perscriptions are completely unecessary. In twenty or thirty years we will have antibiotic resistant superbugs everywhere. Worst of all the pharmas cant keep up, the bugs are mutating at a much faster rate than new antibiotics are being created. Combine this with ever denser populations and you have a recipe for disaster.

The vast majority of antibiotic abuse and the biggest incubator for antibiotic resistant bugs is factory farms. So I hope you buy only antibiotic-free meat. Or are a vegetarian.
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:14
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:14
 
I don't understand why we use vaccines. No one got sick and died until we started using them, so why do we use them? And they all make autism. It's a conspiracy, cuz the government wants to poison and kill its subjects. Obviously.
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:25
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:25
 
Mashiki Amiketo wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 14:59:
InBlack wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 09:23:
Even worse than the anti-vaccination crazies is the the horrible overperscription of antibiotics nearly everywhere in the world.
What I found interesting in the article was the comments, especially the "but x" because "I believe y" and all the rest. I'm expecting the next bug to smash us in the face to be a flu variant, not antibiotic resistant. Here in Canada we've had a nasty flu season, and 90% of the one admitted to hospitals are for the swine flu instead of regular flu.

I agree that probably the next big pandemic is a flu variant. The annual flu vaccines are designed to protect against that variants that scientists *think* will be widespread, but it's impossible to predict. Get one that isn't covered by that, and the vaccine offers no protection. That's what happened a few years ago with both H5N1 and H1N1.

It's interesting in that article comments that the pro-vaxxers all throw down links to studies, and the anti-vaxxers don't. I think that tells you all you need to know.
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:26
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Jan 22, 2014, 15:26
 
...it's pretty deep out there. I'll have to tackle that in a bit, but with the temperature right around 2°F and a "real feel" of -29°F I'm not in any rush to head out there. Yeesh.

Time to invest in a snowblower?
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Jan 22, 2014, 16:35
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Jan 22, 2014, 16:35
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 15:25:
It's interesting in that article comments that the pro-vaxxers all throw down links to studies, and the anti-vaxxers don't. I think that tells you all you need to know.

It's difficult to make scientific and mathematical arguments to someone who is making emotional decisions with little understanding of the background. They present facts that they copy-paste from skeptic sites but they don't really understand what they mean, it's just technobabble. I've had discussion with people who thought vaccines were a drug, or that it weakens and replaces the natural immune system. Skepticism can be healthy thing but you can tell what classes in high school they skipped entirely.
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Jan 22, 2014, 17:08
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Jan 22, 2014, 17:08
 
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 15:14:
I don't understand why we use vaccines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
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Jan 22, 2014, 17:57
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Jan 22, 2014, 17:57
 
NegaDeath wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 16:35:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 15:25:
It's interesting in that article comments that the pro-vaxxers all throw down links to studies, and the anti-vaxxers don't. I think that tells you all you need to know.

It's difficult to make scientific and mathematical arguments to someone who is making emotional decisions with little understanding of the background. They present facts that they copy-paste from skeptic sites but they don't really understand what they mean, it's just technobabble. I've had discussion with people who thought vaccines were a drug, or that it weakens and replaces the natural immune system. Skepticism can be healthy thing but you can tell what classes in high school they skipped entirely.

That's our real issue. Period. Too many undereducated people listening to anyone with the charisma to hold their attention. Yeah, I'd be letting Jenny McCarthy make my child's future brighter with her anti-vaccine movement. Except that my mind can outwit her fake boobs to get to the science behind the scenes. Jenny has...fake boobs. Science has...studies and years of evidence that these vaccines work with little chance of bad side effects.

But we like to have politicians, who usually know jack about anything BUT politics, make rules for everything. It's ridiculous, but most of the masses are ignorant enough that it keeps happening. If it's not the politicians, it's celebrities - who are also grossly unqualified to make policy for anything - that we listen to. It boggles my mind.
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Jan 22, 2014, 18:21
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Jan 22, 2014, 18:21
 
On why it is so hot here in California in January:

"Our weather is controlled by the jet stream, which is that band of high altitude winds that blows west to east across North America. The jet stream acts as the boundary between warm air to the south and cold air to the north.

Normally when it’s over California blowing through the center of the country you get sort of average conditions. But what’s happened is the jet now has this unusually far northward penetrating bulge over the western U.S. and a compensating dip over the eastern U.S. So it’s cold over the eastern U.S. and very warm over the western U.S."

http://tinyurl.com/thankyoujetstream
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Jan 22, 2014, 18:53
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Jan 22, 2014, 18:53
 
BobBob wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 17:08:
jdreyer wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 15:14:
I don't understand why we use vaccines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

I was making an attempt at deadpan humor. Blush

I probably need to be more humorous.
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Jan 22, 2014, 20:36
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Jan 22, 2014, 20:36
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Fake boobs doesn't mean she's stupid. They were probably a good investment. But yeah, she dumb.

I wonder how much she's profiting from this. It's certainly boosting her profile and I wonder how many books she'd sell if she wasn't crusading against intelligence. Maybe she's not stupid.

jdreyer, I got about a sentence and a half in before the penny dropped
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Jan 22, 2014, 21:23
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Jan 22, 2014, 21:23
 
Quboid wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 20:36:
Fake boobs doesn't mean she's stupid. They were probably a good investment. But yeah, she dumb.

I wonder how much she's profiting from this. It's certainly boosting her profile and I wonder how many books she'd sell if she wasn't crusading against intelligence. Maybe she's not stupid.

jdreyer, I got about a sentence and a half in before the penny dropped

I never said fake boobs make her stupid. I said that's all she has to back up her bullshit.
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Jan 22, 2014, 21:40
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Jan 22, 2014, 21:40
 
Quboid wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 20:36:
Fake boobs doesn't mean she's stupid.

Do you realize what you just said?

"I do not think that word means what you think it means...."
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Jan 22, 2014, 22:12
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Jan 22, 2014, 22:12
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xXBatmanXx wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 21:40:
Quboid wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 20:36:
Fake boobs doesn't mean she's stupid.

Do you realize what you just said?

"I do not think that word means what you think it means...."

Er, no. Should that have been "don't"? I feel that's not what you're referring to.

Agent.X7, saying she's got nothing but boobs seems like you're calling her stupid. That's how I read it and FWIW, I agree with my misinterpretation of your point
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Jan 22, 2014, 23:05
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Jan 22, 2014, 23:05
 
Quboid wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 22:12:
xXBatmanXx wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 21:40:
Quboid wrote on Jan 22, 2014, 20:36:
Fake boobs doesn't mean she's stupid.

Do you realize what you just said?

"I do not think that word means what you think it means...."

Er, no. Should that have been "don't"? I feel that's not what you're referring to.

Agent.X7, saying she's got nothing but boobs seems like you're calling her stupid. That's how I read it and FWIW, I agree with my misinterpretation of your point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk
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