Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 18:13:There has to be better solutions out there than this garbage.
Undoubtedly. But you know what? No one was doing a thing to come up with better solutions. No one was interested in trying to fix what was very obviously broken and getting worse every year. While it isn't the best solution, it is the only one that anyone has bothered to put forth. Had something been previously done to begin to fix the huge problems with health care coverage in this country the ACA would have never been necessary. Nothing was, so we're stuck with this for now. Hopefully it will be fixed and tweaked down the road, since it is undeniably a mess in its current state, but it's a start. As far as cost goes, health care costs were already skyrocketing before the ACA. It was going to happen with or without it. Rising costs is just a fact of life we all need to deal with.
Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 18:13:There has to be better solutions out there than this garbage.
Undoubtedly. But you know what? No one was doing a thing to come up with better solutions. No one was interested in trying to fix what was very obviously broken and getting worse every year. While it isn't the best solution, it is the only one that anyone has bothered to put forth. Had something been previously done to begin to fix the huge problems with health care coverage in this country the ACA would have never been necessary. Nothing was, so we're stuck with this for now. Hopefully it will be fixed and tweaked down the road, since it is undeniably a mess in its current state, but it's a start. As far as cost goes, health care costs were already skyrocketing before the ACA. It was going to happen with or without it. Rising costs is just a fact of life we all need to deal with.
There has to be better solutions out there than this garbage.
Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:58:Still waiting for you to explain why Obamacare is such a great thing btw, given all the evidence to the contrary.
I am not going to claim it "great"; rather I'll give you a few things that I like about it myself. I speak for no one but myself here btw.
1) Health plans can’t turn you down or charge you more because you’re sick or have a health condition - that's huge.
2) Puts a cap on yearly out pocket expenses for things like medication.
3) It mandates pediatric dental coverage, which sounds like a small thing but doctors have linked many health problems later in life to poor dental health from an early age.
4) It eliminates annual or lifetime dollar limits for health plans. At my company the limit used to be a million dollars and then you were dropped. In today's world that isn't much, especially if one or more of your family members gets cancer.
Still waiting for you to explain why Obamacare is such a great thing btw, given all the evidence to the contrary.
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 16:01:Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:14:Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 14:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
Given some of your posts in this thread, I think you're largely oblivious to the insults you throw out. I don't think you're a reliable judge of whether your posts contained an insult or not.
Sure thing, posts that didn't name anyone or even quote anyone. Still waiting for you to explain why Obamacare is such a great thing btw, given all the evidence to the contrary. Still waiting to see your spin on how it's so great!
This is tiresome. I've already explained that the rollout issues are not the program. Yeah, the website sucks. It'll get fixed. Yeah, some people can't keep shitty plans that don't cover anything and force taxpayers to cover them when they actually need care. Bummer. They'll get new plans. Some will pay a little more, some will pay a little less. Most folks like me have to pick a new plan every year anyway, so this is nothing new. Overall, it's better to have more people covered rather than the rest of us paying stupid amounts of money for them to be sick and get care from the emergency room.
Oh, and since you seem big on things being done by charity, here's something interesting on that subject.
LOL you're incredible, 90+ million lose their plans because they don't include things like maternity leave for males, and you dismiss them as "crappy plans"
Bagger you're flat out dishonest and it's pathetic.
On the topic of charity, the difference is it's voluntary, no one is forcing you to unlike what the liberals would like to mandate you contribute to.
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:14:Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 14:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
Given some of your posts in this thread, I think you're largely oblivious to the insults you throw out. I don't think you're a reliable judge of whether your posts contained an insult or not.
Sure thing, posts that didn't name anyone or even quote anyone. Still waiting for you to explain why Obamacare is such a great thing btw, given all the evidence to the contrary. Still waiting to see your spin on how it's so great!
This is tiresome. I've already explained that the rollout issues are not the program. Yeah, the website sucks. It'll get fixed. Yeah, some people can't keep shitty plans that don't cover anything and force taxpayers to cover them when they actually need care. Bummer. They'll get new plans. Some will pay a little more, some will pay a little less. Most folks like me have to pick a new plan every year anyway, so this is nothing new. Overall, it's better to have more people covered rather than the rest of us paying stupid amounts of money for them to be sick and get care from the emergency room.
Oh, and since you seem big on things being done by charity, here's something interesting on that subject.
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:45:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:56:Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:22:
RollinThunder, I really have to disagree with you on the way the media reports about racial violence. The story of the Australian man shot by bored kids ( one of whom was white iirc) was covered by all of the mainstream networks. CNN had just as many stories covering it as Fox news did; surely you are not going to say they are biased against white people too? None of these stories are swept under the rug. Some of the stories (like the Trayvon Martin one) have way more facets to cover as well as a dynamic nature since there was the lack of an initial arrest and rallies for "justice". And of course the media is going to cover every single antagonistic thing angry protesters say and do since it gets people angry, getting the other side riled up escalating the war of words and giving them more juicy shit to cover. Had those bored black teens not been initially arrested the same thing would have played out with white protests and the like. And the media would have been more than happy to cover that too.
Fair enough Prez, however I hate it that stations like NBC will doctor 911 calls to slant a news story. That isn't journalistic integrity. That's pushing an agenda.
It's a culture issue, yet everyone is too afraid to say that because they don't want to be branded racist by the left.
I don't recall you ever getting all riled up any of the countless times that Fox has pulled deceptive editing stunts, and they've got FAR more of those on their record than anyone else. Surely you couldn't possibly trust or respect Fox's reporting anymore.
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:56:Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:22:
RollinThunder, I really have to disagree with you on the way the media reports about racial violence. The story of the Australian man shot by bored kids ( one of whom was white iirc) was covered by all of the mainstream networks. CNN had just as many stories covering it as Fox news did; surely you are not going to say they are biased against white people too? None of these stories are swept under the rug. Some of the stories (like the Trayvon Martin one) have way more facets to cover as well as a dynamic nature since there was the lack of an initial arrest and rallies for "justice". And of course the media is going to cover every single antagonistic thing angry protesters say and do since it gets people angry, getting the other side riled up escalating the war of words and giving them more juicy shit to cover. Had those bored black teens not been initially arrested the same thing would have played out with white protests and the like. And the media would have been more than happy to cover that too.
Fair enough Prez, however I hate it that stations like NBC will doctor 911 calls to slant a news story. That isn't journalistic integrity. That's pushing an agenda.
It's a culture issue, yet everyone is too afraid to say that because they don't want to be branded racist by the left.
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 15:14:Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 14:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
Given some of your posts in this thread, I think you're largely oblivious to the insults you throw out. I don't think you're a reliable judge of whether your posts contained an insult or not.
Sure thing, posts that didn't name anyone or even quote anyone. Still waiting for you to explain why Obamacare is such a great thing btw, given all the evidence to the contrary. Still waiting to see your spin on how it's so great!
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 14:41:RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
Given some of your posts in this thread, I think you're largely oblivious to the insults you throw out. I don't think you're a reliable judge of whether your posts contained an insult or not.
D-Rock wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:04:Lol! That's so meta.Prez wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 12:09:
And if Blue has a bias, why has he left all of the rest of yours , RT' s , and Mad Max' s posts?
You're assuming I mean political bias. You're wrong.
It all comes down to deciding who you like and who you don't like. Blue's behavior makes it clear how he feels about me. He's a poor moderator, and that contradicts the respectable attitude that's normally portrayed in in 'Out of the Blue'.
Prez, you've officially made my asshole list.
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
RollinThundr wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:57:Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.
He has Seph, he's removed at least a couple of mine that included zero personal insults at all. I've reported some of Nin's comments that are personal insults and nothing else, those are all still there.
It's Blue's site, he can moderate it as he sees fit imo, however the bias towards certain individuals is plain as day.
Sepharo wrote on Nov 2, 2013, 13:51:
D-Rock, I've never seen Blue remove a post that lacked a personal insult. Are you sure yours didn't? Like Beamer mentioned, Blue tends to only moderate when prompted to do so, I guess someone reported your post, I've never done so myself.
Personally I'm against all post removal for any reason. There is another long thread on this site where some fundamentalist repeatedly called me a defender of pedophiles and other nastiness and it's still up because I'd rather it stand as a testament to the behavior of that poster.