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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 17:19
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Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:50:
Dude. You are not getting it. Nobody made any claim about it being ok for liberals but not for conservatives. Nobody gave a damn that the Kochs created the TP. The ONLY point of dispute is that you were claiming that they weren't involved until later. THAT is the only thing that was being corrected. Everything else you've been saying is just straw-man bullshit. OK?

He's just going to keep spamming vague 'gubment needs to take less monies!!!' fortune cookie bullshit until everyone else gives up, you might as well stop wasting your time. It doesn't really matter what you say, he'll be here refreshing the thread and posting endless responses because the attention is what its important, not the content. It's pretty obvious at this point you can't teach him anything and you've already decisively proven your point several times despite his best efforts to change the subject.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 16:00
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Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:50:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:36:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:09:
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.

I don't think the first amendment has much to do with giving politicians tons of cash.

I shouldn't have to bring up the reason I mentioned him at all. It was merely to demonstrate that it's ok when liberals do it, fund causes and push their believes and agendas, you guys have zero issue with that. To be honest it's guys like Soros that caused the shift in this country to push forth the believe that everyone is entitled out of the womb. Not one person would have thought that way 20 years ago.

When conservative groups do it, you get upset about it. You can't have it both ways.

I think the message however is more important, so I'll repeat it again, smaller, streamlined and more limited government oversight, (yes you still need regulations for things don't go there) and reigning in the spending.

I really don't care how we get there to be honest.

Dude. You are not getting it. Nobody made any claim about it being ok for liberals but not for conservatives. Nobody gave a damn that the Kochs created the TP. The ONLY point of dispute is that you were claiming that they weren't involved until later. THAT is the only thing that was being corrected. Everything else you've been saying is just straw-man bullshit. OK?

As for the first amendment being an issue, look at how the money is used by the campaigns. They buy assloads of advertising with it. So what if the money doesn't go directly to the candidate but to some other corporation set up as a superpac or whatever other type of corp is convenient. Are we going to prevent them from running ads on TV? What if the ads don't specifically mention the candidate, even if they make it obvious who it is? How obvious would it have to be? That's just regulation hell right there, and I wouldn't want to go there.

Honestly, poltical ads are all mud slinging these days anyway and are dishonest on both sides. We need them why?
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 15:50
Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 15:50
Oct 18, 2013, 15:50
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:36:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:09:
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.

I don't think the first amendment has much to do with giving politicians tons of cash.

I shouldn't have to bring up the reason I mentioned him at all. It was merely to demonstrate that it's ok when liberals do it, fund causes and push their believes and agendas, you guys have zero issue with that. To be honest it's guys like Soros that caused the shift in this country to push forth the believe that everyone is entitled out of the womb. Not one person would have thought that way 20 years ago.

When conservative groups do it, you get upset about it. You can't have it both ways.

I think the message however is more important, so I'll repeat it again, smaller, streamlined and more limited government oversight, (yes you still need regulations for things don't go there) and reigning in the spending.

I really don't care how we get there to be honest.

Dude. You are not getting it. Nobody made any claim about it being ok for liberals but not for conservatives. Nobody gave a damn that the Kochs created the TP. The ONLY point of dispute is that you were claiming that they weren't involved until later. THAT is the only thing that was being corrected. Everything else you've been saying is just straw-man bullshit. OK?

As for the first amendment being an issue, look at how the money is used by the campaigns. They buy assloads of advertising with it. So what if the money doesn't go directly to the candidate but to some other corporation set up as a superpac or whatever other type of corp is convenient. Are we going to prevent them from running ads on TV? What if the ads don't specifically mention the candidate, even if they make it obvious who it is? How obvious would it have to be? That's just regulation hell right there, and I wouldn't want to go there.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 15:49
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 09:35:
Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 08:47:
You can't get mad at them, you totally misrepresented something and got nailed on it. There is no dancing around it, my 5 year old knows better than to pull that crap. You want to push your agenda then at least own it when you screw up.

I'm not really mad to be honest, just eye rolling at how hypocritical most left leaning people are. I have read so much whining and crying about the tea party and what they stand for, when everyone who likes freedom and their rights should be moving to embrace them.

The 2 party system really is one party, they just have their spending priorities in difference places. I'd never thought I'd say it but really if we want any small possible chance at actual Hope and Change and not that bullshit Obama's been selling you, people would start voting for the Cruzs' and Pauls' of the world, rather than continuing to reelect the same bozos every 4 years, be they either D or R.

George Carlin really said it best, "Sooner or later the people of this country are going to realize government doesn't give a fuck about them,government doesn't care about you, All they're interested in is keeping and expanding their own power"

“I don’t know of anybody in the business community who takes the side of the Taliban minority,” said Dirk Van Dongen, longtime chief lobbyist for the National Association of Wholesaler-Distributors.

Even the business people are turning against the tea party now.

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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 15:36
Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 15:36
Oct 18, 2013, 15:36
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 15:09:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:14:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.

And Soros has been doing it since the 70's, who cares?
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.

I don't think the first amendment has much to do with giving politicians tons of cash.

I shouldn't have to bring up the reason I mentioned him at all. It was merely to demonstrate that it's ok when liberals do it, fund causes and push their believes and agendas, you guys have zero issue with that. To be honest it's guys like Soros that caused the shift in this country to push forth the believe that everyone is entitled out of the womb. Not one person would have thought that way 20 years ago.

When conservative groups do it, you get upset about it. You can't have it both ways.

I think the message however is more important, so I'll repeat it again, smaller, streamlined and more limited government oversight, (yes you still need regulations for things don't go there) and reigning in the spending.

I really don't care how we get there to be honest.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 15:09
Re: Morning Metaverse Oct 18, 2013, 15:09
Oct 18, 2013, 15:09
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:14:
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.

And Soros has been doing it since the 70's, who cares?
Apparently you care since you were the one insisting that the TP is a grass roots thing from 2009. Soros has absolutely nothing to do with your claim and nobody else said anything about him. You were just wrong. Deal with it and quit bringing up irrelevant other crap.

As for the superpacs thing, I don't see a way to fix it short of doing public financing of campaigns. Even that is only a partial fix. Maybe you have some better idea that won't run afoul of the first amendment.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell (I think...)
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 13:51
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Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 13:26:
jdreyer wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 13:09:
Yup, because Junior was an idiot. But not even Soros can match the money from the right. For every Soros, there are five on the right, for example Koch, Adelson, Friess, Moskowitz, and Walton. And the right spends five times as much.

There has been a buying strategy on both sides, unquestionably worse on the right. No one sane will argue that. I think we've seen that approach doesn't work and there will be a stronger focus on traditional political campaigning and awareness for a new Republican image and message over the next five years. Smarter heads are slowly starting to prevail and I think the party is waking up to the realization that we need to eject the tea party types even if it costs us some leadership potential in the short term.

I see potential in people whose have specific views I might not agree with (Bobby Jindal for example opposes abortion and same sex marriage) but are otherwise smart enough to divide their personal morals and responsibility to govern.

I think it's sad that so few believe in limiting the government and cutting our spending down to manageable levels. I'd imagine there's likely many bills and programs that are redundant.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 13:26
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Oct 18, 2013, 13:26
 
jdreyer wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 13:09:
Yup, because Junior was an idiot. But not even Soros can match the money from the right. For every Soros, there are five on the right, for example Koch, Adelson, Friess, Moskowitz, and Walton. And the right spends five times as much.

There has been a buying strategy on both sides, unquestionably worse on the right. No one sane will argue that. I think we've seen that approach doesn't work and there will be a stronger focus on traditional political campaigning and awareness for a new Republican image and message over the next five years. Smarter heads are slowly starting to prevail and I think the party is waking up to the realization that we need to eject the tea party types even if it costs us some leadership potential in the short term.

I see potential in people whose have specific views I might not agree with (Bobby Jindal for example opposes abortion and same sex marriage) but are otherwise smart enough to divide their personal morals and responsibility to govern.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 13:14
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jdreyer wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 13:09:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 11:48:
Soros has funded candidates, This is the same guy that said he'd give up his entire fortune to see Junior out of office. Progessiveism or Liberalism or whatever the PC term is for it, is about half a step away from Communism to begin with.


Yup, because Junior was an idiot. But not even Soros can match the money from the right. For every Soros, there are five on the right, for example Koch, Adelson, Friess, Moskowitz, and Walton. And the right spends five times as much.

I agree, Junior wasn't a great or even a good president, though we've had worse, Carter instantly comes to mind, along with our current crybaby in chief.

And I highly highly doubt he's the only rich liberal contributing to superpacs and groups that push socialist agendas.

At any rate like I said, those types of contributions should be done away with period. Lobbying in general should be done away with but I'd imagine there's too much money for the asshats in washington to ever do anything about it.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 13:09
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 11:48:
Soros has funded candidates, This is the same guy that said he'd give up his entire fortune to see Junior out of office. Progessiveism or Liberalism or whatever the PC term is for it, is about half a step away from Communism to begin with.


Yup, because Junior was an idiot. But not even Soros can match the money from the right. For every Soros, there are five on the right, for example Koch, Adelson, Friess, Moskowitz, and Walton. And the right spends five times as much.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 12:14
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Oct 18, 2013, 12:14
 
Wowbagger_TIP wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 12:11:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.

And Soros has been doing it since the 70's, who cares? Kinda like Hilary with Bhengazi doncha know who cares since both parties are apparently guilty of it right? The way I see it you can't bitch and complain about just one parry doing it when they both do, have a little consitency.

Honestly, you want to fix DC? Make these super pac type of donations illegal. Make it hard if not impossible for politicians to be bought.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 12:11
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Oct 18, 2013, 12:11
 
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 05:34:
Here's the thing, if you people are so upset that a group would like to actually respect the US Constitution and follow it, while at the same time being fine with a socialist douchenozzle like Soros doing the same exact thing for far longer pushing "progressive" drivel, I have zero to say to you.


I didn't realize either that Jenny Beth Martin, you know the person who actually co founded the tea party movement was a Koch brother. Keep drinking that liberal media kool aid however (grape drank flavor no doubt). Ridiculous claims indeed.

So Ms. Martin set up that Tea Party website back in 2002? Whatever. She's probably the last person that should be discussing fiscal responsibility anyway, given her own past.

Regardless, it isn't hypocritical to point out that the TP has a history that predates 2009. You keep adding your straw-man comments to try to make it seem that way, but I've never defended Soros or any other billionaire, since I really don't know much about them. I only looked into this TP question a while back because others like you were making this claim that the Kochs had nothing to do with its creation.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts." -- Bertrand Russell (I think...)
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 11:48
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Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 10:52:
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 10:35:
bunch of nonsense

Reality TV? Thin skins? Trying to blame your problems on everyone else when you accused other people of doing it not 2 pages ago? I give up, you are hopeless.

Getting back on topic and ignoring the madness:

1. They Fund Crazies. Soros isn't funding the Communist party. If he did, we'd be hearing about it, constantly. The tea party is the right wing equivalent. Also, Soros didn't fund candidates, but the right funded some crazy candidacies: Adelson funded Gingrich's candidacy, and Friess funded Santorum (don't Google that ). Both of those guys are nuts who never would have been viable if not for billionaire backers.

This is going to stop. The tea party types will be kicked to the curb after the shit they pulled the past two years and the money will stop flowing. They can make their own political body and stop leeching off the base. The whole thing was an effort to reinvigorate an aging base and attract a different voting block, unfortunately it has completely backfired in the worst way and ended up severely damaging the republican image and message. There are many liberal positions I'm unhappy with in this country but the sort of political gridlock we've been forced to endure is not good for anyone, something will be done.

Soros has funded candidates, This is the same guy that said he'd give up his entire fortune to see Junior out of office. Progessiveism or Liberalism or whatever the PC term is for it, is about half a step away from Communism to begin with.

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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 10:52
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RollinThundr wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 10:35:
bunch of nonsense

Reality TV? Thin skins? Trying to blame your problems on everyone else when you accused other people of doing it not 2 pages ago? I give up, you are hopeless.

Getting back on topic and ignoring the madness:

1. They Fund Crazies. Soros isn't funding the Communist party. If he did, we'd be hearing about it, constantly. The tea party is the right wing equivalent. Also, Soros didn't fund candidates, but the right funded some crazy candidacies: Adelson funded Gingrich's candidacy, and Friess funded Santorum (don't Google that ). Both of those guys are nuts who never would have been viable if not for billionaire backers.

This is going to stop. The tea party types will be kicked to the curb after the shit they pulled the past two years and the money will stop flowing. They can make their own political body and stop leeching off the base. The whole thing was an effort to reinvigorate an aging base and attract a different voting block, unfortunately it has completely backfired in the worst way and ended up severely damaging the republican image and message. There are many liberal positions I'm unhappy with in this country but the sort of political gridlock we've been forced to endure is not good for anyone, something will be done.

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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 10:35
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Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 10:11:
It is hard to believe there is someone out there with so little self awareness to realize what a mockery they are making of themselves. The Obama phone thing is an example you've been throwing around for months now, not a joke at all and you got brutally hoist on your own petard. No one is going to buy the joke bit, its not only immature but its worse than actually having just meant it and been wrong, especially in the light that you've been harping about it for ages. No one cares about the message when it's presented so poorly and you don't swing people to your point of view with dishonesty, arguments that lack a foundation and soundbites.



It would be nice to have a political discussion where you haven't muddied the waters and made it more difficult to represent some conservative views.

So mention obamaphone once and that equals mentioning it for months? What the fuck ever Verno.

Right, redmask trolls harder than I do, call him on it. Or how bout Beamer with his I know everything about everything attitude with anything be it politics or games or whatever. Seriously either some of you have really thin skins or you just don't care that our rights are disappearing one by one. Easier to watch the latest reality tv than try to change the course to fail we're on.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 10:11
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It is hard to believe there is someone out there with so little self awareness to realize what a mockery they are making of themselves. The Obama phone thing is an example you've been throwing around for months now, not a joke at all and you got brutally hoist on your own petard. No one is going to buy the joke bit, its not only immature but its worse than actually having just meant it and been wrong, especially in the light that you've been harping about it for ages. No one cares about the message when it's presented so poorly and you don't swing people to your point of view with dishonesty, arguments that lack a foundation and soundbites.

It would be nice to have a political discussion where you haven't muddied the waters and made it more difficult to represent some conservative views.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
Oct 18, 2013, 09:59
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Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 09:37:
The eye rolling thing here is you getting completely nailed on just about every subject and trying to continually shift the discussion afterward. Case in point, you still haven't acknowledged what was either a mistake or outright dishonesty. A polite acknowledgement and admission would mean people are less likely to hang it over your head but now that's going to follow you around in every thread.

I don't know if you're truly this ignorant or just posturing for the last word but you are not only making yourself look bad but all other Conservatives by association.

I think I've been fairly consistent with the same message, smaller government stop spending so much fucking money.

The obama phone comment was a joke, there was even a smiley at the end of it. It's not my fault some of you can't detect sarcasm.
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Oct 18, 2013, 09:37
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The eye rolling thing here is you getting completely nailed on just about every subject and trying to continually shift the discussion afterward. Case in point, you still haven't acknowledged what was either a mistake or outright dishonesty. A polite acknowledgement and admission would mean people are less likely to hang it over your head but now that's going to follow you around in every thread.

I don't know if you're truly this ignorant or just posturing for the last word but you are not only making yourself look bad but all other Conservatives by association.
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Re: Morning Metaverse
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Verno wrote on Oct 18, 2013, 08:47:
You can't get mad at them, you totally misrepresented something and got nailed on it. There is no dancing around it, my 5 year old knows better than to pull that crap. You want to push your agenda then at least own it when you screw up.

I'm not really mad to be honest, just eye rolling at how hypocritical most left leaning people are. I have read so much whining and crying about the tea party and what they stand for, when everyone who likes freedom and their rights should be moving to embrace them.

The 2 party system really is one party, they just have their spending priorities in difference places. I'd never thought I'd say it but really if we want any small possible chance at actual Hope and Change and not that bullshit Obama's been selling you, people would start voting for the Cruzs' and Pauls' of the world, rather than continuing to reelect the same bozos every 4 years, be they either D or R.

George Carlin really said it best, "Sooner or later the people of this country are going to realize government doesn't give a fuck about them,government doesn't care about you, All they're interested in is keeping and expanding their own power"
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Oct 18, 2013, 08:47
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Oct 18, 2013, 08:47
 
You can't get mad at them, you totally misrepresented something and got nailed on it. There is no dancing around it, my 5 year old knows better than to pull that crap. You want to push your agenda then at least own it when you screw up.
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