I didn't like the KB/M controls either but a lot of people say they're perfectly usable *shrug*.

Generally Im really vocal about bad ports, but Dark Souls is not a terrible port, it only has 3 faults:

1. Graphics, easily fixed using DSfix (it also provides more usefull features, best mod ever really).
2. Controls, K+M is terrible, but using a 360 gamepad (which the game was designed for) is great, no complains.
3. G4WL, its crap, it worked for me when I wanted to play, but never cared too much for online play so, offline profile and good to go.

So please people stop complaining about Dark Souls port (which all complains are easily fixable) and go play it, as its one of the best games I have played ever, and Ive played too many games already

Verno wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 11:22:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 11:13:
What I'm about to say isn't just about the Dark Souls devs only. I refuse to take the stance that I should be thankful for getting scraps. I don't NEED their games. There are countless other games out there by other developers who release quality ports and put the necessary effort. Devs with a lot less cash than the Dark Souls ones. I support devs who do good(to me) and don't support those who don't. This isn't a charity. I'm don't owe these guys anything. I'm the one with the buying power and I feel that they deserve shit in this case by the way of a vote from my wallet.

That's a big strawman though. No one said you owe the developers anything. You said the port sucked and people offered some explanations to why it sucked and why we think it'll be better next time. If you want to sit it out and harangue them for eternity over a bad port then go nuts. I'm personally going to give them another chance because it was a great game and frankly the ports problems were easy enough for me to workaround that it wasn't a big deal.

Strawman, really? Anyway, I haven't made up my mind about the second game and I may pick up the first one one day if I somehow played everything and I find it for dirt cheap.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 11:13:
What I'm about to say isn't just about the Dark Souls devs only. I refuse to take the stance that I should be thankful for getting scraps. I don't NEED their games. There are countless other games out there by other developers who release quality ports and put the necessary effort. Devs with a lot less cash than the Dark Souls ones. I support devs who do good(to me) and don't support those who don't. This isn't a charity. I'm don't owe these guys anything. I'm the one with the buying power and I feel that they deserve shit in this case by the way of a vote from my wallet.

That's a big strawman though. No one said you owe the developers anything. You said the port sucked and people offered some explanations to why it sucked and why we think it'll be better next time. If you want to sit it out and harangue them for eternity over a bad port then go nuts. I'm personally going to give them another chance because it was a great game and frankly the ports problems were easy enough for me to workaround that it wasn't a big deal.

Verno wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 11:04:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:50:
What that actually means is that they couldn't give two shits about the PC and that we should be thankful that they even gave us the courtesy of a port.

Err no, I don't know where you're inferring that attitude from but it didn't come from the developer. It's a bad port, no one disagrees that its a bad port and they admitted it was a bad port and said they will try to do better. It wasn't financially feasible for them to go back when they were already working on the sequel. It sucks but these things happen in the industry. From is a very small developer with no PC experience in a market where PC gaming is practically non-existent, this is not Blizzard here. I get disappointment but the rage is really silly, they aren't driving around in Ferrari's with the PC sales of this or something.

Anyways that's all water under the bridge, what matters now is what they deliver next year.

I don't know. These are companies that are motivated by money. What I'm about to say isn't just about the Dark Souls devs only. I refuse to take the stance that I should be thankful for getting scraps. I don't NEED their games. There are countless other games out there by other developers who release quality ports and put the necessary effort. Devs with a lot less cash than the Dark Souls ones. I support devs who do good(to me) and don't support those who don't. This isn't a charity. I'm don't owe these guys anything. I'm the one with the buying power and I feel that they deserve shit in this case by the way of a vote from my wallet.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:50:
What that actually means is that they couldn't give two shits about the PC and that we should be thankful that they even gave us the courtesy of a port.

Err no, I don't know where you're inferring that attitude from but it didn't come from the developer. It's a bad port, no one disagrees that its a bad port and they admitted it was a bad port and said they will try to do better. It likely wasn't technically or financially feasible for them to go back and gut it when they were already working on the sequel. It sucks but these things happen in the industry. From is a very small developer with no PC experience in a market where PC gaming is practically non-existent, this is not Blizzard here. I get disappointment but the anger seems like an overreaction, they aren't driving around in Ferrari's with the PC sales of this or something. Fans really wanted this and petitioned them endlessly for it, they were really upfront about its limitations and later took full responsibility for its shortcomings which is more than I can say for most major publishers these days.

Anyways that's all water under the bridge, what matters now is what they deliver next year. They've said they learned a lot about making a multiplatform title so I suspect they will deliver something more palatable to everyone. If you want to boycott all of their games in the future then that's your right, I think it's a shame to miss out on great games personally but to each his own.

This comment was edited on Sep 19, 2013, 11:13.

Zyrxil wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:53:
Or you know, they're a tiny developer with a small staff and no way to suddenly get that PC experience in the time frame during which a port would make sense. They were up front with the limitations of the PC port long before it was released. It's hardly a situation worth getting angry about.

I disagree

Or you know, they're a tiny developer with a small staff and no way to suddenly get that PC experience in the time frame during which a port would make sense. They were up front with the limitations of the PC port long before it was released. It's hardly a situation worth getting angry about.

Verno wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:39:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:30:
The thing is that the second game will be more advanced and might take for granted that you played the previous one. Also, I'll be lost story wise.

The Souls games are generally standalone affairs and the storylines are self contained. They share commonalities in gameplay obviously but you have to seek the story in these games anyway, it isn't given to the player in patronizing exposition segments.

q[ do expect the port to be better this time. I think they said it would be. If it's as bad, you can bet I'll give them the finger. A little part of the issue is also that they failed to fix the first game on PC. In fact, they refuse to. I'd rather support a developer who supports the PC properly, and honestly, who isn't an asshole.

It was their first PC game and the PC market in Japan is miniscule, the only reason we got it at all was due to online petitions. It would have required a lot of work to patch up and the sequel was already in progress so for better or worse they pressed on. I think it's a testament to the quality of these games that people loved it in spite of the port. I respect the fact that they owned up to their mistakes too instead of hiding behind a publisher.
Yeah, it wasn't a mistake that the port sucked. What they said is that they were sorry the the PC port sucked, and it was because they had no PC experience. What that actually means is that they couldn't give two shits about the PC and that we should be thankful that they even gave us the courtesy of a port. There's no excuse. If you don't have the PC experience, you GET the PC experience. You hire a guy, you hire a consultant, whatever, you do it. There's absolutely no excuse for releasing shitty software. They didn't want to put the effort and didn't care really. Quick port for quick bucks. That's not a developer I want to support.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:30:
The thing is that the second game will be more advanced and might take for granted that you played the previous one. Also, I'll be lost story wise.

The Souls games are generally standalone affairs and the storylines are self contained. They share commonalities in gameplay obviously but you have to seek the story in these games anyway, it isn't given to the player in patronizing exposition segments.

q[ do expect the port to be better this time. I think they said it would be. If it's as bad, you can bet I'll give them the finger. A little part of the issue is also that they failed to fix the first game on PC. In fact, they refuse to. I'd rather support a developer who supports the PC properly, and honestly, who isn't an asshole.
It was their first PC game and the PC market in Japan is miniscule, the only reason we got it at all was due to online petitions. It would have required a lot of work to patch up and the sequel was already in progress so for better or worse they pressed on. I think it's a testament to the quality of these games that people loved it in spite of the port. I respect the fact that they owned up to their mistakes too instead of hiding behind a publisher.

Alamar wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:23:

Zyrxil wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:59:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:44:
I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

Well that just seems silly. The logical outcome of that is eventually you won't be playing the 10th game of the series because of one poor port (which has excellent mods working around the problems) from years and years ago.

I believe he meant that the port for the second one will be just as bad, and therefore, not worth playing...

I picked this game up way late, on a $7.49 amazon sale, and was hugely pleasantly surprised... I agree that the Mouse/KB controls are horrid, and I finally picked up an xbox controller for the PC to play it (so didn't really save on the sale). After getting used to the controls (I didn't play this style much, especially with a controller), and getting used to the combat, I rocked the game : ) Have gone through a bunch of times, with different builds, and really enjoyed Dex/Int based gameplay. Due to all this, DS2 was going to be a day one purchase, but now I'm not sure I want to 'waste' getting it on console, or wait who-knows-how-long for the PC version.

-Alamar

The thing is that the second game will be more advanced and might take for granted that you played the previous one. Also, I'll be lost story wise. I do expect the port to be better this time. I think they said it would be. If it's as bad, you can bet I'll give them the finger. A little part of the issue is also that they failed to fix the first game on PC. In fact, they refuse to. I'd rather support a developer who supports the PC properly, and honestly, who isn't an asshole.

Zyrxil wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:59:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:44:
I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

Well that just seems silly. The logical outcome of that is eventually you won't be playing the 10th game of the series because of one poor port (which has excellent mods working around the problems) from years and years ago.

I believe he meant that the port for the second one will be just as bad, and therefore, not worth playing...

I picked this game up way late, on a $7.49 amazon sale, and was hugely pleasantly surprised... I agree that the Mouse/KB controls are horrid, and I finally picked up an xbox controller for the PC to play it (so didn't really save on the sale). After getting used to the controls (I didn't play this style much, especially with a controller), and getting used to the combat, I rocked the game : ) Have gone through a bunch of times, with different builds, and really enjoyed Dex/Int based gameplay. Due to all this, DS2 was going to be a day one purchase, but now I'm not sure I want to 'waste' getting it on console, or wait who-knows-how-long for the PC version.

-Alamar

Those son's o bitches...

Might be because the PC version will coincide with new consoles, and it'll look absolutely bad-ass-er... : )

Edit: Just watched the vid... And I'm surprised how bad it looks... Hopefully the PC delay will come with some PC vids (maybe this is why it's delayed) that show how it should really look.

-Alamar

This comment was edited on Sep 19, 2013, 10:26.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 10:06:
I've made a post about this in the past. You need at least 3 different patches and need to do manual changes in order to get it playable.

I only needed one and to edit a single text file but ok. It's really a great game but there are a ton of games to play so to each his own.

Verno wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:54:

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:44:
I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

You can just install a DX wrapper and it's good to go. It's not a very good port for sure but "horrible terrible" is a bit much, its actually quite stable and the online stuff works fine even if GFWL is fucking annoying. I would hate to miss out on such a great game over something that's fairly easy to circumvent. The devs owned up to it and said they will do better this time around, let's hope so.

I've made a post about this in the past. You need at least 3 different patches and need to do manual changes in order to get it playable.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:44:
I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

Well that just seems silly. The logical outcome of that is eventually you won't be playing the 10th game of the series because of one poor port (which has excellent mods working around the problems) from years and years ago.

Verno wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:16:
I'm totally ok with that as long as the PC version is better this time around.

I’m not as forgiving when it comes to badly ported games. The first one was very bad, I tried to play it, but the controls drove me crazy.

I never did try the patch that came out that supposedly fixed the controls. But I am tired of the pc taking a back seat to console too.

ItBurn wrote on Sep 19, 2013, 09:44:
I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

You can just install a DX wrapper and it's good to go. It's not a very good port for sure but "horrible terrible" is a bit much, its actually quite stable and the online stuff works fine even if GFWL is fucking annoying. I would hate to miss out on such a great game over something that's fairly easy to circumvent. The devs owned up to it and said they will do better this time around, let's hope so.

I refuse to play the first one because of the horrible terrible port. I fear I won't play the second one because of that.

NOOOOOOooooooo... that's fine I still haven't beaten the last one... OMG it's been almost a year since I played it last