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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 5, 2013, 19:08
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 5, 2013, 19:08
Sep 5, 2013, 19:08
 
The irony is that the rebels (i.e. the 'regular people') are more secular than the Assad government, but the 'only people willing to help' (i.e. the opportunistic extremists) the rebels are less secular than the Assad government, effectively putting two opposites against one middle.

Somehow I don't think the Islamists helping the rebels will be interested in a secular nation, should they win.

Same thing happened throughout the 'Arab spring'. Civil resistance leaned on militant groups that could help them win, then the militant groups took power in the end, and the effort ended up being one step forward and two steps back.

-scheherazade

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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 5, 2013, 08:53
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 5, 2013, 08:53
Sep 5, 2013, 08:53
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 17:26:
McSterls wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 16:02:
Cutter wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 10:07:
Wow, the old bastard wants to put America into another needless war so his pals can continue to loot the US taxpayers and steal Syrian resources and he's laughing it off like it's all a big joke.

Do they have resources to steal?

They sure do. Not much oil left but a shit ton of natual gas. They're the world leader if I recall. And let's not forget the upside to the pigs in the Military-Industrial Complex. They must all be walking around with hardons right now and purchasing new ski chalets in Switzerland. You can bet it's entirely about that and not that a few peasants got gassed.

So wait, Obama's been pushing for Syria action and this is Mccain's fault? How fucking delusional can one be?
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 19:47
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 19:47
Sep 4, 2013, 19:47
 
Might just be another armchair general but I like this guys blog, breaks this mess down to understandable terms.

http://wartard.blogspot.com/

I would think McCain would be more into a nice game of "Global Thermonuclear War".
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 17:26
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 17:26
Sep 4, 2013, 17:26
 
McSterls wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 16:02:
Cutter wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 10:07:
Wow, the old bastard wants to put America into another needless war so his pals can continue to loot the US taxpayers and steal Syrian resources and he's laughing it off like it's all a big joke.

Do they have resources to steal?

They sure do. Not much oil left but a shit ton of natual gas. They're the world leader if I recall. And let's not forget the upside to the pigs in the Military-Industrial Complex. They must all be walking around with hardons right now and purchasing new ski chalets in Switzerland. You can bet it's entirely about that and not that a few peasants got gassed.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate up hill." - Blade
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 17:25
PHJF
 
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 17:25
Sep 4, 2013, 17:25
 PHJF
 
I also agree with the post that leaving other countries along would be the best strategy for all of us.

Might have worked fine a hundred years ago but you can't undo globalization.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 17:08
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 17:08
Sep 4, 2013, 17:08
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 10:07:
Wow, the old bastard wants to put America into another needless war so his pals can continue to loot the US taxpayers and steal Syrian resources and he's laughing it off like it's all a big joke.

Hey better Syria than my country. Someone's got to feed the machine.

I also agree with the post that leaving other countries along would be the best strategy for all of us. If a country wants to treat their population like crap, that's their problem. The population can rebel if they don't like it. The country who comes in to 'save' another never is appreciated.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 16:57
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 16:57
Sep 4, 2013, 16:57
 
Prez wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 15:57:
After the dog's breakfast that the Iraq war was I am now a staunch isolationist (militarily speaking - I'm all for global commerce). As horrific as the idea of women and little kids being gassed to death by some sick fuck sitting in a palace is, I really just don't see an upside to getting involved in Syria's civil war. Someone sick and twisted enough to do something like that can't be "taught a lesson" by a few Tomahwawks launched into a few ancillary targets anyway.

This. It's an unstable situation, too. it's not worth risking a big war than anticipated. It could last for years and years. Millions of people could die. Definitely not a place we want to be involved in a civil war that's none of our business. We can't afford it.

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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 16:24
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 16:24
Sep 4, 2013, 16:24
 
Loopy wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 15:13:
Obama: Bet fourteen trillion.
McCain: I'll see your $14,000,000,000,000 and raise u national security lol

NSA: Neither of you has that kind of money. LULZ.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 16:02
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 16:02
Sep 4, 2013, 16:02
 
Cutter wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 10:07:
Wow, the old bastard wants to put America into another needless war so his pals can continue to loot the US taxpayers and steal Syrian resources and he's laughing it off like it's all a big joke.

Do they have resources to steal?
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 15:57
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 15:57
Sep 4, 2013, 15:57
 
After the dog's breakfast that the Iraq war was I am now a staunch isolationist (militarily speaking - I'm all for global commerce). As horrific as the idea of women and little kids being gassed to death by some sick fuck sitting in a palace is, I really just don't see an upside to getting involved in Syria's civil war. Someone sick and twisted enough to do something like that can't be "taught a lesson" by a few Tomahwawks launched into a few ancillary targets anyway.
“The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 15:13
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 15:13
Sep 4, 2013, 15:13
 
Obama: Bet fourteen trillion.
McCain: I'll see your $14,000,000,000,000 and raise u national security lol
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 14:45
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 14:45
Sep 4, 2013, 14:45
 
El Pit wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 14:30:
It's also got to do with Russia having a naval base in Tartus, Syria. It's their easy access to the Mediterranean, and the islamists following Assad would most likely throw them out of the country. So it's not about helping one side in the civil war, but about blocking the Russian access to the Mediterranean. It's just another game of global power chess.

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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 14:30
El Pit
 
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 14:30
Sep 4, 2013, 14:30
 El Pit
 
Pigeon wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 13:41:
El Pit wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 13:19:
Except that this attack would be totally stupid. They're mostly all bad guys in this civil war. Defeat Assad, and the islamists (Taliban, Al Quaeda, and other nutjobs) take over. They're already fighting the FSA, i.e. the rebels that started it all. A military strike would help NOBODY. This is not a good guys vs. bad guy conflict, best to stay out of this.

I believe the idea is that they broke with the Geneva Protocol, and if you don't enforce it, it's useless. The problem in Syria is that both sides are supposedly using it so any strike against one side or the other is just an excuse to give the other side a helping hand. Are these strikes supposed to take out production, storage facilities or delivery means? So far it just sounds like an excuse to attack the Syrian government without specifically addressing the actual problem.

It's also got to do with Russia having a naval base in Tartus, Syria. It's their easy access to the Mediterranean, and the islamists following Assad would most likely throw them out of the country. So it's not about helping one side in the civil war, but about blocking the Russian access to the Mediterranean. It's just another game of global power chess.
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 13:41
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 13:41
Sep 4, 2013, 13:41
 
El Pit wrote on Sep 4, 2013, 13:19:
Except that this attack would be totally stupid. They're mostly all bad guys in this civil war. Defeat Assad, and the islamists (Taliban, Al Quaeda, and other nutjobs) take over. They're already fighting the FSA, i.e. the rebels that started it all. A military strike would help NOBODY. This is not a good guys vs. bad guy conflict, best to stay out of this.

I believe the idea is that they broke with the Geneva Protocol, and if you don't enforce it, it's useless. The problem in Syria is that both sides are supposedly using it so any strike against one side or the other is just an excuse to give the other side a helping hand. Are these strikes supposed to take out production, storage facilities or delivery means? So far it just sounds like an excuse to attack the Syrian government without specifically addressing the actual problem.
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 13:32
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 13:32
Sep 4, 2013, 13:32
 
I hope we do, I fear we won't.
“Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception.” -- Carl Sagan
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 13:19
El Pit
 
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 13:19
Sep 4, 2013, 13:19
 El Pit
 
Except that this attack would be totally stupid. They're mostly all bad guys in this civil war. Defeat Assad, and the islamists (Taliban, Al Quaeda, and other nutjobs) take over. They're already fighting the FSA, i.e. the rebels that started it all. A military strike would help NOBODY. This is not a good guys vs. bad guy conflict, best to stay out of this.
"There is no right life in the wrong one." (Theodor W. Adorno, philosopher)
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jedi)
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 10:59
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 10:59
Sep 4, 2013, 10:59
 
Hey, poker is serious business!
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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 10:13
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 10:13
Sep 4, 2013, 10:13
 
McCain is kind of a weasel but in his defense who hasn't played solitaire, minesweeper, or something else when they've been bored at work?

It's not like the Congressional vote really matters anyway - the President has already stated that he has the authority to strike without Congressional consent. If memory serves, Reagan during his Presidency ordered a similar brief retalitory/punitive strike against Libya to punish Gaddafi for supporting terrorism without Congressional approval, so it's not like there isn't precedent, so he is probably correct.

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Re: Morning Mobilization
Sep 4, 2013, 10:07
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Re: Morning Mobilization Sep 4, 2013, 10:07
Sep 4, 2013, 10:07
 
Wow, the old bastard wants to put America into another needless war so his pals can continue to loot the US taxpayers and steal Syrian resources and he's laughing it off like it's all a big joke.
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