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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 20:58
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Creston wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:35:
He pretended he wasn't lying, but that he thought Wyden was talking about just email data. Which at that time, they no longer gathered. Because, you know, "are you gathering ANY DATA AT ALL?" is so easily misunderstood. Also, let's be honest here, perjury is only for the common plebs. A government big shot like Clapper would never be charged with perjury.

As for your first question, Obama is truly fucking terrible. He genuinely deserves to be in the Worst Presidents of All Time discussion.

They had at this point already admitted to the phone metadata. They where asked, are you collecting data on millions. They said NO. Which contradicted the metadata they had already admitted to, so they turned around and said, oh yeah, that.. I didn't know you were talking about that.. Honestly it seems more of a blunder to me, why would you lie about something you already admitted to?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 20:37
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InBlack wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:30:
You mean the part where they were caught spying on their own citizens?

Doesn't anyone remember Carnivore? Ever since reading about that in the late '90s, I've assumed that everything on the internet (not just e-mail) is probably being monitored. After 911 and the resulting disintegration of civil liberties, it was a foregone conclusion. Snowden just made it official.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 18:38
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InBlack wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:30:
dj LiTh wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:17:
Actually i find it a lot more amusing seeing all the people that are just so dumbstruck that an intelligence/spy agency actually was spying. I mean how stupid do you have to be to not realize that.

You mean the part where they were caught spying on their own citizens?

Or the part where they tapped EU embassies...
Or the part where they spied on allied nations...
Or the part where it's proven that US companies gained illegal benefits from gov sponsored economic espionage?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 18:03
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Xil wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 13:38:
Cutter wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:24:
Has there been a more disappointing president in recent history? And no, Nixon and Dubya don't count because you knew things were going to be bad from the outset. Hope and change my ass! Guess he meant he hoped we didn't know how bad the changes for the worst would be.

I wonder at times what the nobel prise people where thinking

Oh they knew exactly what they were thinking. And they'd gladly give it to him again seeing how Obama is treating the American people like SHIT.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 14:21
Cutter
 
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NegaDeath wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 13:41:
Xil wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 13:38:
I wonder at times what the nobel prise people where thinking

The answer is: "How do I get the taste of ass out of my mouth afterwards? Mouthwash?"

Lol yeah. Talk about jumping the gun on that one. I bought into the Chocolate Jesus sales pitch since the DNC. In a way I think guys like Obama are ever worse than guys like Dubya or Nixon because with them you know what you get. Guys like Obama just really deflate people and make them want to give up on the political process entirely.

HorrorScope wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 12:45:
Anytime it's a split congress, it creates gridlock and all those presidencies are sad. I can't even rate the guy since not much of anything can get done. One side wants to do something good, the other doesn't want it to happen so they other side doesn't look good.

Gridlock is the suck. I'd be for vote the congress and have the majority pick their prez. We can't afford to do nothing.

That only counts for so much. All this erosion of privacy, running roughshod over the Constitution, assassinations, drones, etc. are all on him. He didn't start it, but he's done sweet FA to stop it, quite the opposite in fact.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 14:21
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I like that he got healthcare through, its one of the few left leaning platforms I identify with other than the importance of the environment. I'm very unhappy with his track record on privacy and government oversight. The economy recovery package is one of those things where I think things are better now but any president would have been forced to do the same. I was also very frustrated with how that money was spent by the banks and that little to no jail time given to notable companies responsible for the crisis.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 13:41
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Aug 13, 2013, 13:41
 
Xil wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 13:38:
I wonder at times what the nobel prise people where thinking

The answer is: "How do I get the taste of ass out of my mouth afterwards? Mouthwash?"
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 13:38
Xil
 
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 Xil
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:24:
Has there been a more disappointing president in recent history? And no, Nixon and Dubya don't count because you knew things were going to be bad from the outset. Hope and change my ass! Guess he meant he hoped we didn't know how bad the changes for the worst would be.

I wonder at times what the nobel prise people where thinking
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 13:29
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Aug 13, 2013, 13:29
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:24:
Has there been a more disappointing president in recent history? And no, Nixon and Dubya don't count because you knew things were going to be bad from the outset. Hope and change my ass! Guess he meant he hoped we didn't know how bad the changes for the worst would be.

And why the fuck is Clapper not being charged with perjury? How in the hell does that work? Lying under oath is totally cool now?
Exactly, from hope and change to war criminal and treason. Now future generations have two administrations to convict. Oh and at least one director of nsa.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 13:02
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Cutter wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:24:
And why the fuck is Clapper not being charged with perjury? How in the hell does that work? Lying under oath is totally cool now?

The rules of law are only for the little guy, not for politicians.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 12:51
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UttiniDaKilrJawa wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:59:
Actually, lets take this voting out of office one step further. Term limits. If 8 years (2 terms) is good enough for the President of the United States it should be good enough for Congress/House of Representatives. Term limits prevents 2 things from occuring: entrenchment of politicians and stagnation of ideas from old thinking. These positions were designed to be civil service , not careers. It's time we started treating them like this.

Excellent point, but sadly we'll never get that put into place, because the people who have to put that into place are the people who'd get kicked out after 8 years.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 12:45
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Aug 13, 2013, 12:45
 
Cutter wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:24:
Has there been a more disappointing president in recent history?


Anytime it's a split congress, it creates gridlock and all those presidencies are sad. I can't even rate the guy since not much of anything can get done. One side wants to do something good, the other doesn't want it to happen so they other side doesn't look good.

Gridlock is the suck. I'd be for vote the congress and have the majority pick their prez. We can't afford to do nothing.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 12:13
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It was Clapper who dissembled in front of a Congressional committee when he was questioned directly by NSA critic Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR) back in 2011. Wyden asked if "any kind of data at all" was being collected on millions of Americans. "No sir," said Clapper at the time.

Don't people who testify in front of Congressional committees do so under oath? I guess this guy didn't, because otherwise he would be in prison for lying under oath.

If 8 years (2 terms) is good enough for the President of the United States it should be good enough for Congress/House of Representatives. Term limits prevents 2 things from occuring: entrenchment of politicians and stagnation of ideas from old thinking. These positions were designed to be civil service , not careers. It's time we started treating them like this.

This would fix SO many problems, but it just isn't going to happen. It would take Congress passing a law or Amendment that would essentially put themselves out of work, which is never going to happen. Otherwise, if 3/5ths of the states vote to make it a Constitutional Amendment (something that the Constitution provides for but has never happened in our history), it could be done, bit good luck getting that off the ground.

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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 11:59
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Aug 13, 2013, 11:59
 
Creston wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 11:18:
LittleMe wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:40:
Even more people think that voting for politicians promising to end it, will change things.

The only way to change it is to vote every single worthless fucking incumbent out of office. Then if the next horde does the same thing, vote them the fuck out. Eventually (it may take about 30 years, politicians aren't the brightest) they'll start figuring it out.

Actually, lets take this voting out of office one step further. Term limits. If 8 years (2 terms) is good enough for the President of the United States it should be good enough for Congress/House of Representatives. Term limits prevents 2 things from occuring: entrenchment of politicians and stagnation of ideas from old thinking. These positions were designed to be civil service , not careers. It's time we started treating them like this.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 11:35
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Aug 13, 2013, 11:35
 
He pretended he wasn't lying, but that he thought Wyden was talking about just email data. Which at that time, they no longer gathered. Because, you know, "are you gathering ANY DATA AT ALL?" is so easily misunderstood. Also, let's be honest here, perjury is only for the common plebs. A government big shot like Clapper would never be charged with perjury.

As for your first question, Obama is truly fucking terrible. He genuinely deserves to be in the Worst Presidents of All Time discussion.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 11:24
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Aug 13, 2013, 11:24
 Cutter
 
Has there been a more disappointing president in recent history? And no, Nixon and Dubya don't count because you knew things were going to be bad from the outset. Hope and change my ass! Guess he meant he hoped we didn't know how bad the changes for the worst would be.

And why the fuck is Clapper not being charged with perjury? How in the hell does that work? Lying under oath is totally cool now?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 11:18
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Aug 13, 2013, 11:18
 
LittleMe wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:40:
Even more people think that voting for politicians promising to end it, will change things.

The only way to change it is to vote every single worthless fucking incumbent out of office. Then if the next horde does the same thing, vote them the fuck out. Eventually (it may take about 30 years, politicians aren't the brightest) they'll start figuring it out.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 10:40
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Even more people think that voting for politicians promising to end it, will change things. They're mistaken. Public outcry is more effective, imo. But that won't do much either. The tidal wave of statist authoritarianism is here.
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 10:30
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dj LiTh wrote on Aug 13, 2013, 10:17:
Actually i find it a lot more amusing seeing all the people that are just so dumbstruck that an intelligence/spy agency actually was spying. I mean how stupid do you have to be to not realize that.

You mean the part where they were caught spying on their own citizens? Or the part where the chief of intelligence lied about it in a public hearing? How is this in any way amusing?
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Re: Morning Legal Briefs
Aug 13, 2013, 10:17
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Aug 13, 2013, 10:17
 
Actually i find it a lot more amusing seeing all the people that are just so dumbstruck that an intelligence/spy agency actually was spying. I mean how stupid do you have to be to not realize that.
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