ASeven wrote on Jun 11, 2013, 13:11:
Techdirt puts some light on this poll.

Republicans and Democrats have had very different views of the two operations. Today, only about half of Republicans (52%) say it is acceptable for the NSA to obtain court orders to track phone call records of millions of Americans to investigate terrorism. In January 2006, fully 75% of Republicans said it was acceptable for the NSA to investigate suspected terrorists by listing in on phone calls and reading emails without court approval.

Democrats now view the NSA’s phone surveillance as acceptable by 64% to 34%. In January 2006, by a similar margin (61% to 36%), Democrats said it was unacceptable for the NSA to scrutinize phone calls and emails of suspected terrorists.

Shocking I tell you. No not really. Like I've said, it's ok if your party of choice is in office, regardless if it's healthy for the nation or not.

No.. but there is a big difference between "reading select correspondence of suspects" and "reading ALL correspondence of EVERYONE, including non US citizens"

Last I checked, the first is legal everywhere, and the latter isn't. That is what surprised people. And that BIG corporations are in on it who have absolutely 0 reason to be in on it. If it came out it would be hugely damaging. EU privacy law revision is going to get a huge boost thanks to this.

Techdirt puts some light on this poll.

What amazes me is that its news in the first place, i mean how daft do you have to be to actually think that things you do on the internet of all places are safe, secure, and private from government spy and security agencies?

Verno wrote on Jun 11, 2013, 12:47:
Blue has been very clear about where it's appropriate to discuss political issues (political threads attached to stories like this one) and where it isn't (pretty much any other thread). It was cluttering up the forums and making it unpleasant to read so I don't see the problem, people can evangelize on their own time, it's not like there aren't a billion ways to do that already.

I know, I think people prefer to keep political crap completely out of gaming news sites. I been around a long time, blues never used to be this way and there's a hidden agenda in many of the political posts.

Regardless, not my site - just some advice.

To save freedom, you got to give it up. Yeah, that makes sense. NOT.

Blue has been very clear about where it's appropriate to discuss political issues (political threads attached to stories like this one) and where it isn't (pretty much any other thread). It was cluttering up the forums and making it unpleasant to read so I don't see the problem, people can evangelize on their own time, it's not like there aren't a billion ways to do that already.

Considering 50% didn't even follow the news about it (in the poll as well), just goes to show how completely out of touch the low information voters in the US are -- partly the liberal media refusing to air these stories, but mainly the sheeple more than happy to hide their heads in the sand.


And more importantly, why does blue run these political stories if he doesn't want people bitching and moaning about shit? This is a gaming site right?

Another ludicrous poll! Kind of like that poll that said 90% of people want gun checks. Obama and his cronies are paying for this nonsense and if you believe it, you need to go to the stupid farm.

NegaDeath wrote on Jun 11, 2013, 11:19:
56% have no fucking clue what's going on or have been completely hypnotized into fearful sheep by the media.

That would suggest 44% are shepherds. I think that the shepherd to sheep ratio is rather high

"You can see that in the polls too. I was just looking at a study by an American sociologist (published in England) of comparative religious attitudes in various countries. The figures are shocking. Three quarters of the American population literally believe in religious miracles. The numbers who believe in the devil, in resurrection, in God doing this and that -- it's astonishing. These numbers aren't duplicated anywhere else in the industrial world. You'd have to maybe go to mosques in Iran or do a poll among old ladies in Sicily to get numbers like this. Yet this is the American population."
- Noam Chomsky

Even with Dubya at his lowest he still had a 30% approval rating. Those sort of people are naive enough and/or dumb and lazy enough to believe that if the gubment is spying on them then it must be for a darned good reason!

In my opinion, the problem with this type of poll is that people who are more protective of their privacy are more likely to say "No thank you" when someone calls to poll them so you're not going to get a real sample of the general population, especially with a privacy question. I know I don't like to give people info like age, race, income, political affiliation, etc. If I don't want the government to monitor my information and make a profile of me, why would I want a random pollster to do it? I'd like to know how many people they had to call to get that 1004 person sample size.

56% have no fucking clue what's going on or have been completely hypnotized into fearful sheep by the media.

like fools and their money: so too fools and their freedom.

more like depressing

Does this surprise anyone?