I don't expect you to see your contradictions or your made-up assumptions, but I'll give you the very first one that is actually both and you can create more contradictions and made up assumption all on your own without any more feeding.

I said don't confuse responsibility with liability. I stated that when the point came up that I foot the bill for uninsured who go to the emergency room. You followed up with:

You apparently operate in a perfect world where everyone does everything they are responsible for and society is never liable for it.

I actually laughed when I read that, and you'll note I didn't respond -- you made both an assumption and a contradiction at the same time that formed the basis of your continued assumptions and contradictions.

Just downhill from there, quite silly actually.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:44:

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:33:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:09:

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:08:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

You're equally entitled.

Beamer do you EVER think before you post?

You think you're entitled to give as little back to a society that protects you and fosters you as possible.

How is that not entitled thinking?

The difference is that you somehow think money you get at a job is more important than anything in the world. You have such a narrow, small view (and likely mind) that this is all that matters. You're like some kind of animal. "It's mine, I earned it! My salary is my previous!"

You're probably the same idiot that believes in the welfare queen, happily living in squalor doing no work but living gleefully off your money.

Not worthy of my time for a proper response. Everything you've written in this thread (and many others I've followed) is some far out self-created assumption followed by contradictions, or just cutesy responses for the sake of 'being a part of it'. Wake up Beamer. It's crap that you write that turns a somewhat serious conversation into a jokefest of stupidness.

I wish we could post mirrors on the internet.

Show me my contradictions. Seriously, just, say, 2. Surely if everything I write is full of them then you can find 2 without taking much time.

But you fail to address your entitlement. An entitlement is feeling entitled to something, is it not?

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:33:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:09:

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:08:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

You're equally entitled.

Beamer do you EVER think before you post?

You think you're entitled to give as little back to a society that protects you and fosters you as possible.

How is that not entitled thinking?

The difference is that you somehow think money you get at a job is more important than anything in the world. You have such a narrow, small view (and likely mind) that this is all that matters. You're like some kind of animal. "It's mine, I earned it! My salary is my previous!"

You're probably the same idiot that believes in the welfare queen, happily living in squalor doing no work but living gleefully off your money.

Not worthy of my time for a proper response. Everything you've written in this thread (and many others I've followed) is some far out self-created assumption followed by contradictions, or just cutesy responses for the sake of 'being a part of it'. Wake up Beamer. It's crap that you write that turns a somewhat serious conversation into a jokefest of stupidness.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:09:

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:08:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

You're equally entitled.

Beamer do you EVER think before you post?

You think you're entitled to give as little back to a society that protects you and fosters you as possible.

How is that not entitled thinking?

The difference is that you somehow think money you get at a job is more important than anything in the world. You have such a narrow, small view (and likely mind) that this is all that matters. You're like some kind of animal. "It's mine, I earned it! My salary is my previous!"

You're probably the same idiot that believes in the welfare queen, happily living in squalor doing no work but living gleefully off your money.

Considering your first 3 "arguments" were just regurgitated talking points, you will understand when I say I don't believe you got them from real world experience.

But I do believe what you say about your sister, and I'm glad to hear she was able to get treated in two countries that are in the top 10 heath care bracket of the world -- you could imagine how devastated you would be if that weren't the case. Better hope it stays the case.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

Time for anecdotes yay!

My sister was studying abroad in Spain (my family is well off enough that she can do this) she was a young adult and a previously unknown mental illness manifested. She was alone and wandering the streets. The police took her to the hospital. There she received three weeks of excellent diagnosis and treatments not to mention the costs of just living at the hospital. Cost $0 (for a non-citizen too no less). She finally gets back home and receives care that while still great is not as good as what it was in Spain and despite having "good" insurance costs her and my parents thousands upon thousands of dollars.

That's it for me though, since despite being told that I don't watch TV you continue to bizarrely go on about my TV watching and use that like it's some sort of coup de grâce. Apparently I don't live in reality and don't have insurance and don't have family and friends and my anecdotal evidence is fantasy. The real fantasy here is that healthcare is just fine the way it is.

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:08:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

You're equally entitled.

Beamer do you EVER think before you post?

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:06:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

You're equally entitled.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:52:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:46:
Don't confuse responsibility with liability.

The answer isn't to instead pay for every idiot for every ailment all the time.

For real?
LIABILITY:
The state of being responsible for something, esp. by law.
A thing for which someone is responsible, esp. a debt or financial obligation.

Apparently you don't know the difference between having a responsibility and having a liability.

You apparently operate in a perfect world where everyone does everything they are responsible for and society is never liable for it.

A liability is a responsibility. Baffling.

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 12:01:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Entitlement much?

And seph, you certainly are the talking points guy, you won't find my real life experience in any news. Maybe YOU should have surgery in the military or in England, or maybe YOU should have a family with "responsibilities", or YOU should buy insurance -- real world might help adjust your boob tube vision on the subject.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

Even with insurance getting cancer or some other terrible illness is going to take your finances to the brink unless you're very well off. For someone so reliant on anecdotal evidence you'd think someone you know would've experienced this. Also you must've heard during all your time analyzing cable news talking points that a major part of Obamacare was to reform the way insurance deals with pre-existing conditions... Because they were dropping people when they got sick. Even the opponents of Obamacare don't argue against that one anymore because saying, "I think insurance should be able to drop sick people when they get sick" is ridiculous.

But this stuff has already passed anyway, I don't really need to rehash the same debate with someone who still thinks everything was hunky-dory the way it was with nearly 50 million uninsured.

Beamer wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:52:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:46:
Don't confuse responsibility with liability.

The answer isn't to instead pay for every idiot for every ailment all the time.

For real?
LIABILITY:
The state of being responsible for something, esp. by law.
A thing for which someone is responsible, esp. a debt or financial obligation.

Apparently you don't know the difference between having a responsibility and having a liability.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:46:
Don't confuse responsibility with liability.

The answer isn't to instead pay for every idiot for every ailment all the time.

For real?
LIABILITY:
The state of being responsible for something, esp. by law.
A thing for which someone is responsible, esp. a debt or financial obligation.

Don't confuse responsibility with liability.

The answer isn't to instead pay for every idiot for every ailment all the time.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 11:21:
You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

It is your responsibility. When that idiot shows up at the emergency room, who do you think is paying?

You're also assuming people don't give a shit about their health enough to buy insurance if they don't already get it from their employers.

And don't even start with the "other" talking point about affordability, an individual can get full coverage in any state for less than $100 bucks a month, and if you are truly poor, you can get almost everything paid for via the ALREADY EXISTING Government programs.

But ya if you wanna gamble your life so you can instead buy all the other stupid shit people buy and don't need, that's your idiocy and not my responsibility. I count the health of me and my family as the #1 spot on my "budget" list.

I didn't think I had to enumerate what kinds of heath problems could bankrupt a person. I'm obviously not talking about broken bones or colds.

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 02:46:

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 02:08:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 00:41:
Was that a proposition or an incorrect simplification of the "healthcare debate" supported by personal anecdotes?

Greatest health care system in the world? You're talking about the one that bankrupts you if you get sick right?

You go MSNBC!

I don't watch TV news. Also I think that's cable news, I don't have that either.

Obviously you know the "Everyone goes bankrupt when you get sick" was the #1 regurgitated ridiculous notion during the liberal spin cycle.

Experience would have taught you quite differently, unless of course all your friends and family are sitting in bankruptcy right now which we all know they aren't, and we also know they occasionally got sick, occasionally broke bones, and also watch MSNBC so they could teach you the same silly talking points.

U.S. Government thinks it might be time to change copyright law.

Is it just me, or does it sound like the person that wrote that article thinks copyright law isn't strict enough??

Feds: No Warrant Needed to Track Your Car With a GPS Device.

How the heck do you appeal a SCOTUS decision??

This comment was edited on Mar 21, 2013, 06:50.

Axis wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 02:08:

Sepharo wrote on Mar 20, 2013, 00:41:
Was that a proposition or an incorrect simplification of the "healthcare debate" supported by personal anecdotes?

Greatest health care system in the world? You're talking about the one that bankrupts you if you get sick right?

You go MSNBC!

I don't watch TV news. Also I think that's cable news, I don't have that either.