SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 11:39:"Sony drops Kevin Butler ad agency."
That's not a smart move. I thought Kevin did an awesome job, always found his ads entertaining. Then when he walked on stage at E3 I believe it was with a beer in his hand and gave that speech, it was priceless.![]()
Jensen wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 21:20:
I doubt the next-gen consoles will require an 'always-on' net connection, but I think they'll require online activation to install a game... though Sony may use their patented discs to avoid the online activation requirement.
Watter wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 16:43:CrimsonPaw wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:56:That's the problem though. They have already taken quite a few consumer unfriendly actions in the name of reducing piracy or used game sales, but not once has that resulted in lower prices for purchasers of those games.
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
Acleacius wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:22:Why Microsoft Got Into The Console BusinessI'm 99% sure this is bullshit, but will wait to see the full interview. The threat to the PC only came after m$ bribed, bulled and beat PC developers into submission. Not only did it threaten the PC but the quality of games and software development as a whole. It brought on the institutionalization of development with almost slave like conditions for developers, low quality shovelware and retail release in beta state or worst.
Greed at a corporate level, global profit at the expense of humanity.
SpectralMeat wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 11:39:"Sony drops Kevin Butler ad agency."
That's not a smart move. I thought Kevin did an awesome job, always found his ads entertaining. Then when he walked on stage at E3 I believe it was with a beer in his hand and gave that speech, it was priceless.![]()
CrimsonPaw wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:56:That's the problem though. They have already taken quite a few consumer unfriendly actions in the name of reducing piracy or used game sales, but not once has that resulted in lower prices for purchasers of those games. Although few in number, the console games I do buy are almost always new, but I purchase them with the foreknowledge that I can resell them for at least 30% of my original cost, making the game really only cost me $40 or less. There's NO WAY in hell, I'm paying a "real" $60 for a console game, so I'll end up buying far fewer, if any console games. I don't actually think the publishers are as stupid as we think, so surely then know that what I've described here is true for some users. I can only guess that they feel the percentage of their customer base that will behave in this manner, i.e. buy fewer or no games, is much smaller than what I think it is.
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:33:I've really got no problem with not being able to sell back a game; in fact I know that going into each Steam purchase I make. I think the big difference is that with Steam, I've gotten most games for between $2 and $10 - a price I can live with and don't feel the need to sell back to not feel ape raped by new game prices. If they go down that road, they'd better be ready to drop the price of titles considerably to make up for the value lost to trade-ins.
PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 15:16:ViRGE wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:55:Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Ah, okay. I guess Nintendo might find themselves with a lot of console sales this Christmas, if the rumors about MS and Sony prove to be true. I'd definitely advertise the shit out of it if I was them.
Creston
ViRGE wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 14:55:Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Creston wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 13:13:Only for downloads. There's no kind of locking on the discs themselves.
I think the Wii-U also does the whole "tied to one console" bullshit, right?
Why Microsoft Got Into The Console BusinessI'm 99% sure this is bullshit, but will wait to see the full interview. The threat to the PC only came after m$ bribed, bulled and beat PC developers into submission. Not only did it threaten the PC but the quality of games and software development as a whole. It brought on the institutionalization of development with almost slave like conditions for developers, low quality shovelware and retail release in beta state or worst.
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:27:
I disagree that there will be fewer games developed as a result of this. This type of feature is something the publishers want. They want to lock each copy of a game sold to one console. They currently do not make any money off the resell market. Killing off that market means the possibility of increased retail sales which they get money from.
Now if consumers are so turned off by this that they refuse to buy a console doing this, that would cause fewer games to be developed.
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:33:Cutter wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 10:07:
I agree. I hope Sony and MS are stupid enough to require always on and ban used game sales because that really will be the death knell for console gaming. These are going to be the last consoles regardless.
Lets just say the big two both do this. I am curious what you think would then replace console gaming?
PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?
dardin wrote on Feb 7, 2013, 12:27:
Now if consumers are so turned off by this that they refuse to buy a console doing this, that would cause fewer games to be developed.
PC gaming has already been doing this for years now. Pretty much every new PC game requires you to activate it through some online service (battlenet, steam, origin), locking that copy to you and making it have no resell value. So if this is the death knell of console gaming and there is no alternative then where are people going to migrate to for their gaming fix?