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Creston wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 11:28:QFT if nothing else the electoral college makes a mockery of the saying "your vote counts" regardless of who you're voting for.Beamer wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 10:53:Creston wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 10:51:Beamer wrote on Nov 7, 2012, 08:14:
Lastly, fuck the popular vote. This is WHY we have an electoral college. Old, rural white men turned out in droves for Mitt. Pretty much every other demographic went Obama. Why should we cater to old, rural white men? They're uneducated, they're bigoted, and this isn't their country anymore. It belongs to the educated, mixed masses in the cities.
Uh, hello. The old, bigoted rural white man has just as much of a right to vote on a president as you do. That's called democracy, remember? It's that thing that you're always bleating about, until it does something you don't like.
Creston
When did I say they didn't have the right to vote?
I said that they aren't relevant, not that they should be forbidden to vote...
Don't play coy, Beamer, you know damn well what you meant. Like it or not, those rural people are part of the united states. In 2000 every single liberal cried for months when Gore won the popular vote and Bush won the electoral college. It needed to be abolished, and it was ridiculous yadda yadda yadda.
And now you're championing it like it's the greatest gift to democracy that has ever been invented, because "IT SHUTS UP THE DAMN OLD WHITE PEOPLE!" You know just as well as I that the electoral college is fucking bullshit.
It wouldn't have mattered in this election (fortunately, since the last thing I want to hear is three more months of people whining about it), but if 300 million people vote, the guy who should be president is the one who gets 150,000,001+ votes. Not the one who happens to get enough votes in "important" states and gets 270 votes from a bunch of cocksuckers who work one day every four years.
If we got rid of the fucking electoral college, we could also get rid of the horseshit "LET'S SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN OHIO!!!" news coverage. Does anyone give a shit about Ohio? (Or Florida, for that matter?) I don't think even people in Ohio give a shit about Ohio. Why are Florida and Ohio always the ones that elect the fucking president, for all intents and purposes?
So yes, the people you feel "don't matter" are part of the united states, and their vote DOES matter. And what they want to see happen in the country DOES matter. That's called Democracy.
Creston