Optional Nickname! wrote on Oct 9, 2012, 15:29:
The link between Kickstarter and Amazon Payments was a hurdle for me to participate in Kickstarter, as a long-time Amazon user I felt it unwise to have the two accounts associated in any way.

With multiple ways to pay, even though nothing has changed with the Amazon/Kickstarter linkage, I chose the convenience of Amazon payments and hope that the 3rd party policy of Amazon is not to share purchase history with Kickstater.

John wrote on Oct 9, 2012, 10:22:
They've got enough stretch goals to put into the game in not too much time so I don't see them doing any expansion planning now. They just wanted to sweeten the $165 digital tier for the people that asked for it.

Domgrief wrote on Oct 9, 2012, 09:08:
Whose creative vision includes an expansion pack?

Creston wrote on Oct 9, 2012, 01:41:
Now if the kickstarter ISN'T funding the expansion (as it shouldn't), and suppose the game really doesn't sell very well, where are they getting the money for the expansion pack from? Are they going to do another Kickstarter for it at that time? Or are they gambling that it will sell well enough for them to afford the expansion (since obviously any copy sold will basically be pure profit for them.)

Creston wrote on Oct 9, 2012, 01:41:

dj LiTh wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 23:29:
Why do you people think this game has to sell even 1 copy post release to be considered a success when they're getting the money upfront to pay for their future salaries for the completion of the game and probably then some?

Well, it's that "and then some" that I'm a bit dubious about. People who are paying now are paying for the Project Eternity game. Not for Project Eternity, and then some expansion pack 6 months later, which the majority of those who funded the game would have to buy separately.

They swear that's not the case, but I still can't shake a bit of discomfort at them already talking about an expansion, long long long before the actual game is ready. (Or, for that matter, probably before they've even really begun any coding work.)

Now if the kickstarter ISN'T funding the expansion (as it shouldn't), and suppose the game really doesn't sell very well, where are they getting the money for the expansion pack from? Are they going to do another Kickstarter for it at that time? Or are they gambling that it will sell well enough for them to afford the expansion (since obviously any copy sold will basically be pure profit for them.)

I'm not saying that I don't hope that that's the case; I hope they sell millions and millions of copies. But I think it's a bit premature for them to start talking expansions this frakking early in their dev cycle.

Creston

dj LiTh wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 23:29:
Why do you people think this game has to sell even 1 copy post release to be considered a success when they're getting the money upfront to pay for their future salaries for the completion of the game and probably then some?

. If they really are getting so much money that they can't possibly be creating all that money's worth of content in 18 months, and thus we're now technically funding the expansion as well

jacobvandy wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 22:28:
Like they said, people have ASKED for a more expensive digital-only tier. If it doesn't appeal to you, you don't have to pledge that much and/or choose that particular reward. Obviously if you're even entertaining the idea of spending more than $20-50 on this Kickstarter, you're interested in more than just buying a copy of the game, so adding extras to those tiers is just icing on the cake, their way of saying thanks again to some very generous people who are really investing in the project. You don't "need to go all the way to $250" to get a physical copy plus the expansion... just throw in your $65 for the box and then wait until the expansion is out to buy that for its regular price. Need I remind you that pledging is VOLUNTARY?

Also, people are going to flip their shit no matter what post-release, pay-content is ever conceived for any game before it comes out because of the climate of the industry, but keep in mind they planned very carefully to make a game for $1.1 million in about 18 months; if they keep getting flooded with money, they can only tack on so many stretch goals before they get to the point where expanding development sideways is going to become cumbersome. I.e. at some point they have to say "OKAY, this is what we're doing in that set amount of time, everything else will come later." I think they're being very RESPONSIBLE in doing so, and starting to make plans for an expansion pack that they can take an extra six months to make, rather than delay the release of the whole game trying to pack in all the shit they promised at once. Or would you rather they double the size of their studio and risk ruining the cohesion and synergy of the core team?

Dev wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 21:58:
FTL was kickstarted 2000% above its goal and it didn't stop it at all from selling a pile of copies on steam.

Zyrxil wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 21:58:
This is...odd. What miniscule percentage of Project Eternity supporters weren't already funders of Wasteland 2?

Creston wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 21:26:
Errr... you haven't even figured out how many stretch goals you'll have to honor, but you've already planned an expansion pack?

Shouldn't you also wait and see how many sales you'll get? 60K customers probably won't make for enough of an expansion pack audience, seeing as how you'd have to fund that the normal way...

Creston

Creston wrote on Oct 8, 2012, 21:26:
Errr... you haven't even figured out how many stretch goals you'll have to honor, but you've already planned an expansion pack?

Shouldn't you also wait and see how many sales you'll get? 60K customers probably won't make for enough of an expansion pack audience, seeing as how you'd have to fund that the normal way...

Creston