yuastnav wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:55:I disagree strongly. Anyone can create their own family tradition and it shows respect for previous generations. Traditions generally mean something to someone or a group of people. There is a time to let go of old traditions that mean nothing after time.
Generally speaking having traditions is a bad idea because it implants a certain way of thinking and hampers the progression of society.
yuastnav wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:55:Why? What's wrong with marriage? What happened for you not to believe in the idea?
As that I am very opposed to the idea of marriage but it doesn't look like it's going away.
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:22:Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:03:
There's no reason to be respectful to an anti-gay-marriage argument.
Perhaps if you'd read my posts you would understand that I'm not against gay marriage. I'm not for it either. I'm undecided. Would you like to change my mind? Here's your opportunity.
If you're disrespectful, however, how could you ever expect me to vote in favor of a demographic that doesn't respect me?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:01:yuastnav wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:38:
The question is not why gay people should be able to marry.
The question is why the hell it is forbidden for them to marry in the first place. That sounds like an arbitrary law, why not get rid of it?
Marriage in this country has religious influenced origins and has always been defined as a relationship between a man and a woman. I'd say that clear definition makes it more than just arbitrary. That's obviously changing and the issue at hand makes the question of why gay people should be able to marry the most important question. The answer to that question will ultimately determine whether or not it becomes legal.
If it's important to you, why not take the time to positively influence someone who's indifferent?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:14:I was just trying to get you to focus on that question rather than talk about the rest of what I said, which funny enough you didn't touch. So it was to "focus" or highlight rather than add "emotion" as such.
Perhaps I misunderstood and something got lost in my translation, but doesn't bold text and CAPS indicate an intensity beyond a normal tone?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:14:Well you said:Disagree. It's a personal choice. It is very personal. It's up to each and every couple. What couples do with each other has nothing to do with anyone and there's no reason to comment on what other couples do.
When did I say anything about personal choice? I was just referring to how society views marriage and how that view has changed. Of course it's a personal choice. What exactly are you disagreeing with?
Marriage is a concept that is becoming less of a necessity in our society. No, it's not dead, but relationships outside of marriage are perfectly acceptible in our society. That's why I want to know more about what people see as a benefit to same sex marriage.Which on first read sounds like you meant it's not important which I disagree with. The majority still get married, probably for vastly different reasons than say 30-40 years ago but they still get married. Although I think that may dramatically change with the next generation.
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 13:03:
There's no reason to be respectful to an anti-gay-marriage argument.
netnerd85 wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:58:
Pissy? What do you mean? How was what I said at all pissy? I don't own a handbag, I don't get pissy mate.
I'm just trying to get you to think of the other side for a second.
Don't you agree it would be good for the economy?
Disagree. It's a personal choice. It is very personal. It's up to each and every couple. What couples do with each other has nothing to do with anyone and there's no reason to comment on what other couples do.
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:41:Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:58:
Can someone please educate me on the detriments of same sex marriage?
I think any of us that have had a friend unable to visit his loved one in the hospital because certain policies apply only to immediate family can understand the benefits of marriage.
You know, other than telling people they're full parts of our society.
I do appreciate the input -- that's a good point you brought up and I never really thought of it until now.
Did anyone in this thread ever say anything against same sex marriage?
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I detect condescending sarcasm in your post. Your knee-jerk emotional responses are getting old.
Do you accept the challenge of reading, at least trying to understand, and replying with a respectful response?
Beamer wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 07:46:RailWizard wrote on Oct 1, 2012, 00:25:deqer wrote on Sep 30, 2012, 21:57:
It's just a fetish that has miraculously gotten this far... It's quite sad.
Yup.
Heh, you just agreed with a troll account.
No surprise, since half your posts seem like Hellbinder posts, only not parody...
yuastnav wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:38:
The question is not why gay people should be able to marry.
The question is why the hell it is forbidden for them to marry in the first place. That sounds like an arbitrary law, why not get rid of it?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:33:With RailWizard, no point engaging someone so closed.
Wait a minute -- I thought you were 'done'? Or is that just with RailWizard?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:33:Pissy? What do you mean? How was what I said at all pissy? I don't own a handbag, I don't get pissy mate.Can you please explain the benefits of NOT allowing same sex marriage?
No need to get all pissy about it -- I asked someone to fill me in on details I might not be aware of. If I'm the one being educated here, why should I be expected to be the one to explain something?
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:33:Disagree. It's a personal choice. It is very personal. It's up to each and every couple. What couples do with each other has nothing to do with anyone and there's no reason to comment on what other couples do.
Marriage is a concept that is becoming less of a necessity in our society. No, it's not dead, but relationships outside of marriage are perfectly acceptible in our society. That's why I want to know more about what people see as a benefit to same sex marriage. Either way, I don't care, it's just out of curiousity.
Beamer wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:58:
Can someone please educate me on the detriments of same sex marriage?
I think any of us that have had a friend unable to visit his loved one in the hospital because certain policies apply only to immediate family can understand the benefits of marriage.
You know, other than telling people they're full parts of our society.
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:33:
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Marriage is a concept that is becoming less of a necessity in our society. No, it's not dead, but relationships outside of marriage are perfectly acceptible in our society. That's why I want to know more about what people see as a benefit to same sex marriage. Either way, I don't care, it's just out of curiousity.
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:05:
Actually that was more aimed at beamer, let's be honest, the gay community and those that actively support them, take pot shots at religion all the time. And that's alright because attacking religion is the "in" thing to do, unless it's something about Islam, It's ok to attack the Catholic church however. When the shoe is on the other foot however, you're met with more butthurt than a prep H convention.
netnerd85 wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:55:
Do you say this to Women all around the world?
Can you please explain the benefits of NOT allowing same sex marriage?
RollinThundr wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 12:05:Verno wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:09:Don't embrace whatever con, petition, law etc homosexuals are currently against? Well you're just a bigot hater, your opinion doesn't count. News flash sunshine, life is tough, if a few gay people who happen to be gamers, need their own convention to feel safe from the harsh use of the phrase that's gay or whatever, they either need thicker skin, or start wearing a helmet at all times.
I'm an actual Conservative, not a left wing liberal so thats moot and just an effort to dismiss people who disagree with you. Why is a gun convention ok but a gay convention is not? Why is it ok for for interest groups who represent religion to have public events but gay people cannot? Everyone advocating church is just a whiner who can't shut up and stop spouting their liberal agenda? I find it interesting how your idea of free speech only extends to groups you like.
The racism stuff is just so silly and out there, not even going to touch that.
Actually that was more aimed at beamer, let's be honest, the gay community and those that actively support them, take pot shots at religion all the time. And that's alright because attacking religion is the "in" thing to do, unless it's something about Islam, It's ok to attack the Catholic church however. When the shoe is on the other foot however, you're met with more butthurt than a prep H convention.
The double standard is flat out quite humorous imo. At the end of the day, gay folks are people just like anyone else, if they want to be gay, who am I to say they're wrong in that, personally I couldn't care less if Beamer for example likes it in the bum, that's his choice. I'm just tired of it being thrown in everyone else face constantly by those on the left, the media, and the GBLT community, we get it, you're gay, get over yourself already and move on. Not really a need for a special gamer's convention just for them but hey whatever floats your boat I suppose.
Verno wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:09:Don't embrace whatever con, petition, law etc homosexuals are currently against? Well you're just a bigot hater, your opinion doesn't count. News flash sunshine, life is tough, if a few gay people who happen to be gamers, need their own convention to feel safe from the harsh use of the phrase that's gay or whatever, they either need thicker skin, or start wearing a helmet at all times.
I'm an actual Conservative, not a left wing liberal so thats moot and just an effort to dismiss people who disagree with you. Why is a gun convention ok but a gay convention is not? Why is it ok for for interest groups who represent religion to have public events but gay people cannot? Everyone advocating church is just a whiner who can't shut up and stop spouting their liberal agenda? I find it interesting how your idea of free speech only extends to groups you like.
The racism stuff is just so silly and out there, not even going to touch that.
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:38:Do you say this to Women all around the world?
I just hope that people don't think that something like this will influence a political or social agenda for the better, or they will be disappointed. If you keep advertising that you are different and deserve recognition, you too have drawn the very line that you are trying to erase.
D-Rock wrote on Oct 2, 2012, 11:38:Can you please explain the benefits of NOT allowing same sex marriage? The benefits are to the economy. Weddings cost a lot of money and so does divorce. People are taught from a young age to "get married, buy a home" and all that crap. People want to get married to express to the world that they are... married. Have you see how some women look down on other unmarried women? Status is attached to it and that creates a desperate need. It all depends on the specific people and relationship. What does marriage mean to you? I can't answer for everyone and won't try.
Someone, please educate me on the benefits to same sex marriage.